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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #9226 on: December 13, 2023, 10:08:05 AM »
I'm still somewhat "amazed"? that folks seem to tolerate these COP meetings and resolutions as if they mean anything.  Am I missing something?  They make the news cycle and some of the speeches make it sounds as if there is something "real" in it.  

To me, it's as if a group of us got together and gaves speeches to each other about how we're going to lose weight, yup, sure thing, one of these days, while drinking copious amoungs of beer and eating chili and Q.  

"Hey, we all agree we're gonna lose weight now, soon!!!!!"  

Nothing about how much or when or how, just some vague aspirational burfle.

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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #9227 on: December 14, 2023, 08:03:23 AM »
What a great meeting!!

https://www.wsj.com/articles/cop28-deal-fossil-fuels-transition-john-kerry-renewable-energy-e079a395?st=2ljo4a7ulhmdf7p&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #9228 on: December 14, 2023, 08:09:16 AM »
Like most meetings 
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #9229 on: December 14, 2023, 08:12:20 AM »
World's largest unfinished Framework!

The late Tom Wolfe could not imagine finding better material to write about.

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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #9230 on: December 14, 2023, 08:15:16 AM »
I've scanned a number of articles about the outcomes of this meeting, not one of them noted that it's all based on pledges that are themselves so vague as to timing as to be irrelevant.  We're already "transitioning" away from fossil fuels anyway, have been for a while now.  And yet the implication is this "pledge" is worth a bucket of warm camel spit.

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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #9231 on: December 14, 2023, 08:22:48 AM »
The UN tells Americans to eat less meat. The UN tells us to reduce fossil fuel usage.

The Climate Czar tells us that 33% of Co2 emissions is agriculture related. (No explanation given on how that number was calculated/made up.)

So, they all had a meeting, in Dubai (no oil there), flying in on their private jets, and they ate what? (All kinds of gourmet meats.)

Oil producing countries and China did not sign the agreement.

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You can't make this stuff up.
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #9232 on: December 14, 2023, 08:26:56 AM »
Dubai is a pretty nice city (duh).  I wish we had spent more time there (two days, one of which was pretty jet lagged).  It's very clean and hyper modern and not very expensive.  It's all liberal with respect to tourists for an Arab country.  We were told crime is almost nonexistent (I'd guess penalties are draconian.)

An issue lingering is that 80% of the population in the UAE are "workers" imported from Pakistan et al.

Anyway, as you note, the various and sundry flew into Dubai and most signed a completely toothless agreement that is widely hailed as a thing.  It isn't.

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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #9233 on: December 14, 2023, 08:29:42 AM »
What is COP28 in Dubai and why is it important? (bbc.com)

The text calls for this to be done "in a just, orderly and equitable manner". This is seen as an important recognition that richer countries are expected to move away from coal, oil and gas more quickly.

However, the deal doesn't compel countries to take action, and no timescale is specified.

However, before the final deal was agreed at COP28, there were warnings that the world is actually on track for around 2.7C of warming by 2100.

Recent progress had not been in line with what was required, the UN said, leaving a "rapidly narrowing" window for action to keep the 1.5C limit in reach.


This, to me, is the absolute height of silliness, worse than worthless and pointless.  To be hailed as anything is just dumb in my view.


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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #9234 on: December 14, 2023, 10:39:09 AM »

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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #9235 on: December 15, 2023, 09:08:09 AM »
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #9236 on: December 15, 2023, 09:56:10 AM »
I might say hurricane resistant 
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #9237 on: December 15, 2023, 11:09:11 AM »
It's a bit out there, so to speak.

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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #9238 on: December 16, 2023, 10:22:53 AM »
For the first time in more than 50 years the US granted permission for a new type of nuclear reactor, a sign regulators are becoming more open to different approaches to producing power from splitting the atom.

California startup Kairos Power received a construction permit from the Nuclear Regulatory Commission to build its Hermes demonstration reactor in Tennessee. While commercial reactors in use today are cooled by water, the Kairos technology uses molten fluoride salt as a coolant.


https://fortune.com/2023/12/13/nuclear-reactor-approval-molten-salt-cooling-tennessee/

There’s growing global interest in accelerating deployment of nuclear power as a key part of the fight to rein in climate change, but that effort has been hampered by a regulatory process that has been slow to approve new designs.

“It’s possible to license things that are different with the NRC,” Mike Laufer, Kairos’s chief executive officer, said in an interview Wednesday. The regulatory process “doesn’t have to be a roadblock.”

Kairos is among many companies seeking to commercialize designs that can be built in factories and installed on site, an approach that’s expected to be faster and cheaper than the large conventional reactors widely used today.


Kairos plans to begin construction next year on its $100 million project and expects the system to be complete by the end of 2026. The goal is to demonstrate the viability of its design and the molten salt technology. Molten salts remain liquid at high temperatures and low pressure, a potential safety advantage over water-cooled systems. Laufer said the last time the NRC approved a design that wasn’t water-cooled was in 1968.

Hermes won’t generate electricity but is expected to pave the way for the Hermes 2 project, which would use two of the same reactors to produce a combined total of about 28 megawatts of electricity.

The company’s long-term goal is a commercial project that would use two larger reactors and would have more than 100 megawatts of capacity, though Laufer said it’s too soon to say when Kairos may be able to pursue efforts beyond the initial Hermes plant. Big conventional reactors in use today typically have about 1,000 megawatts of capacity.

“We’re developing a technology that will be highly scalable,” Laufer said. “Affordability is really about being able to scale up.”
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #9239 on: December 16, 2023, 10:31:55 AM »
That's good news.
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