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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7617 on: May 25, 2023, 07:57:33 AM »
I think more than half would admit humans cause some climate change

it's the "how much" that is the question
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7618 on: May 25, 2023, 08:05:09 AM »
Yes, the "how much" is a critical point, as well as "What could be done about it in any practicable sense?".  The latter question is largely ignored.

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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7619 on: May 25, 2023, 08:29:20 AM »
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7620 on: May 28, 2023, 08:16:25 AM »
Los Angeles International Airport emits approximately 19,000 tons of carbon dioxide—a month. The roughly 33,000 planes that fly in and out of the airport each month release about 800,000 tons of carbon dioxide.
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7621 on: May 28, 2023, 08:27:29 AM »
So many tons doesn't mean anything to me without some kind of comparison.  The average US car emits about 4-5 tons per year.

At a cruising speed of 780 km per hour, this is equivalent to 90 kg CO2 per passenger per hour (737).




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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7622 on: May 28, 2023, 09:01:40 AM »
it's an educated guess

supposed to sound like a lot

the gist is that you don't have to go that far just to drink beer
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7623 on: May 28, 2023, 09:08:46 AM »
Sure, I just think one needs some kind of point of reference.  It's like saying the nearest star is 4.3 light years away, it has not obvious context for us where distances are generally tens of miles, or hundreds, or even thousands, our minds don't relate to light years, one of which is nearly 6 trillion miles, which against doesn't compute.

"We" generated about 37 gigatons of CO2 last year.  What does that mean?  Sounds like a lot.  Of more relevance is that the amount continues to increase after a COVID related drop, and will continue in years to come to increase.

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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7624 on: May 28, 2023, 09:29:26 AM »
0.4% increase sounds like a very little
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7625 on: May 28, 2023, 10:05:23 AM »
It is, for one year, but over a decade it starts to count, and the trend is what's important.  "We" should be heading down, if even slightly, and we're not, and we're not going to be any time soon (barring another COVID or economic melt down).  These various goals are being missed and are going to be missed.

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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7626 on: May 28, 2023, 10:28:13 AM »
120 ppm increase seems too small to make a difference which is the basis for my skepticism
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7627 on: May 28, 2023, 10:31:39 AM »
A lot of things can "seem" this way or that of course.  An increase of that size in reality CAN be either significant and meaningul or irrelevant.

I don't base my thoughts on what seems to be if I can base them on something of sturdier foundations.


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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7628 on: May 28, 2023, 11:19:13 AM »
A lot of things can "seem" this way or that of course.  An increase of that size in reality CAN be either significant and meaningul or irrelevant.

I don't base my thoughts on what seems to be if I can base them on something of sturdier foundations.


nothing more sturdier is being offered by the "experts"

It is pointed out that co2 has increased by 120 ppm due to man and its also getting warmer so this increase must be the reason

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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7629 on: May 28, 2023, 11:28:04 AM »
The science of this is quite a bit more involved and "sturdy" than that, in my view, it's also quite complex.  I personally am persuaded by the "science" that the increase is meaningful.  I am quite a bit less confident in the models.  The complexity of the models is such that, in my experience, they are simply various "line fits" to past measurements and not necessarily predictive of the future.

The story here, one of, is how most on the right dispute the findings, and most on the left accept them, and most of either have done more than reading their own confirmation bias summaries of it all.  Ergo, their opinions are based on their politics, not the science.  This is not unusual of course.  If a person WANTS to believe a certain way they can find justification for that somewhere.  Reading a lot about it with an open mind and trying to discern what is mostly likely real is a LOT more work, almost impossible really.


 

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