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Topic: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #5026 on: July 23, 2021, 01:29:40 PM »
Beaches are not going to stay where they are, they never have.

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #5027 on: July 23, 2021, 02:05:35 PM »
ok what wise guy out there is hoarding sand

fess up
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #5028 on: July 23, 2021, 04:58:09 PM »
folks that need 24 bathrooms in the same house

now, they might need a pallet of TP
Plus the house was only accessible by a 4×4 that wouldn't get stuck driving in sand. The logistics of this seem...ridiculous.

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« Reply #5029 on: July 23, 2021, 05:05:35 PM »
Plus the house was only accessible by a 4×4 that wouldn't get stuck driving in sand. The logistics of this seem...ridiculous.
Well, I'm sure it was a Range Rover lol...

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #5030 on: July 24, 2021, 12:42:31 AM »
The climate will change regardless of human interference, it always has, always will. True. The rate of change from human activity is difficult to quantify.  False and without attribution. The actual change has been less than most models show, false with no attribution, although the rate of change has increased since the industrial revolution. True.
If we continue looking some other way, by 2100, we won't have worry about whether Penn State can schedule a prime time game in Miami because Miami will not exist, or at least not in its current location.

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #5031 on: July 24, 2021, 12:50:48 AM »
From Wildcat Forever............


https://www.facebook.com/JohnStossel/videos/369144724571717
The nuclear option will become an option when it can compete with solar and wind, and in regions not likely affected by catastrophic earthquakes.



Right now price-wise it cannot compete, regardless of earthquakes, unless you are prepared to pay 3.75 x for the privilege of clean nuclear power over clean wind power. Clean nuclear power comes with the additional price tag of safe storage of spent fuel rods, not considered in this equation. I am  not opposed to nuclear because it is a viable clean energy source, but get your wallet out. There are more efficient sources of energy with less risk, and no requirement of safe storage of spent fuel rods. Stossel included a lie in this video. He said improving technologies made wind and solar as cheap as nuclear. Wind and solar is way way, way cheaper, and less risky. I am not opposed to nuclear except where it is too dangerous - like at Fukishima on an earthquake risky area. And, I have an economics B.A., and while theoreitcally I am not opposed to nuclear generation, as a practical matter, how can one justify a nuclear power plant when wind and solar are about 60% less, and there is no additional cost for storage of radioactive material?
What Stossel said about economics of nuclear power is a crock. Right now, nuclear is the most expensive recognized electrical power source in the world. Spending money on nuclear power is like paying a very very expensive tax. If your monthly electric bill is $110, and your local utility builds a new nuclear power plant, expect a bill of $350 - 400 per month.
That said it is a great power source for the United States Navy, and could be for NASA.




Regardless of expense, factor in risk. In a war, or without a war with terrorists, is it safe to store fuel rods on-site in pools of water at the local power plant, or if you think it is, articulate how when the Cordova nuclear plant, or your other nuclear power plant, is bombed? 
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #5032 on: July 24, 2021, 07:30:03 AM »
If we continue looking some other way, by 2100, we won't have worry about whether Penn State can schedule a prime time game in Miami because Miami will not exist, or at least not in its current location.
How much do you think sea level would rise by 2100 if we "look some other way"?  I'm not sure what that means.

Politicians make promises to "do something", but I've yet to see a coherent actionable plan.

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« Reply #5033 on: July 24, 2021, 09:11:34 AM »
terrorist bombings are a real thing and scary, but don't seem to be much of a risk for nuclear
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« Reply #5034 on: July 24, 2021, 10:19:59 AM »
I've seen some pretty amazing plans. But America somewhat hopeless politically, at least on a federal level. Probably the best that can be done is make funding available and hope someone does something good with it.

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« Reply #5035 on: July 24, 2021, 10:39:51 AM »
Funny how none of these "amazing plans" show up here, or on the Internet that I can find.

Maybe my idea of a "plan" is too specific and hard core and relates to actionability, instead of wishful thinking.

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« Reply #5036 on: July 24, 2021, 10:47:05 AM »
I've seen some pretty amazing plans. But America somewhat hopeless politically, at least on a federal level. Probably the best that can be done is make funding available and hope someone does something good with it.
Hard to vote for funding when youre only 15% of the world problem
When China and India start funding we can look at the US doing likewise
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #5037 on: July 24, 2021, 10:57:12 AM »
There are no serious plans, anywhere, just fodder for the gullible and a lot of money for the insiders.

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« Reply #5038 on: July 24, 2021, 11:10:18 AM »
There are no shortage of plans. Cursory research turns up hundreds. The old Google machine works.

However, our federal system is mostly dead. A small fraction of people can veto any plan, which is why there is no hope for something on a federal scale.

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #5039 on: July 24, 2021, 11:13:51 AM »
I've searched for years for a serious plan, and not found a single one, just some airy aspirational notional vague things to spend money and offer no practiability or detail at all.  The reason there are no plans is we simply can't get "there" from here in any sensible fashion.

It has zero to do with politics.  This is why Europe is struggling mightily despite their "political unanimity".


 

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