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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4396 on: March 01, 2021, 10:18:50 AM »
I prefer V8s
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4397 on: March 01, 2021, 10:19:03 AM »
Most folks prefer a gasoline powered SUV today.  They aren't in the market for any EUV.

A person interested in a sports car is not going to cross shop a minivan.

A person interested in a mini-ute might look at the Bolt, maybe.

Yutes?  What did you say?

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4398 on: March 01, 2021, 10:19:33 AM »
All things being equal, I prefer the in line six.

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4399 on: March 01, 2021, 10:33:18 AM »
Atlanta, GA 10-Day Weather Forecast - The Weather Channel | Weather.com

Spring has sprung here apparently.  High temps mostly in 60s and 70s for ten days.  Our son in SF is coming in and our daughter in C-bus is coming as well to join our daughter and grandson from France.  Gonna be a packed condo.

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4400 on: March 01, 2021, 10:36:05 AM »
all this traveling and congregating during a pandemic???

sure glad it's over in Iowa
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4401 on: March 01, 2021, 01:13:05 PM »
FF how was the golfing and BoneDaddy's?
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4402 on: March 01, 2021, 01:30:07 PM »
Cold today but 40s the rest of the week here in MSP. Snowpack will be gone by Friday. Looking forward to it.

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« Reply #4403 on: March 01, 2021, 02:18:14 PM »
FF how was the golfing and BoneDaddy's?
wrong thread
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4405 on: March 01, 2021, 06:26:15 PM »
So, think about how you'd develop your own climate model in broad strokes.

You have the core model, more CO2 leads to a larger greenhouse impact, that we can model with a high level of certainty.  But, that single variable is pretty small.  However, that slight rise impacts other things, albedo due to snow melting, changes in cloud cover (we know cloudy nights have a higher low T than clear nights in all cases), but clouds also reflect sunlight better than ground or ocean.  Then there are other factors like permafrost melting and oceanic absorption of heat and CO2 and deforestation and ...

Hmmm, this gets complicated.  But one could assemble a model, but how would you test it?  It would have to be tested against historical data.  We have a good record on CO2 levels over time.  Do we have a good record of mean global temperature?  Some say not so great.  But let's stipulate that it is good enough.

So, we have a chart with rise of CO2 and another with rise of T globally.  And we now fit parameters using the above variables to match that rise.  Easy enough really.  But if I do it, and you do it independently, we derive different equations.  They back predict the same thing, but they may predict different slopes going forward.

So, it gets complicated quickly.  Are the models right?  Is one better than all the others?  We can't know for some period of elapsed time, and good measurements.


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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4406 on: March 01, 2021, 07:54:39 PM »
So, think about how you'd develop your own climate model in broad strokes.

with a huge generous grant from some wealthy source
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4407 on: March 01, 2021, 08:40:38 PM »
Contributing to climate change is once again expensive—at least in the eyes of the federal government.

That’s after the Biden administration on Friday raised the social cost of carbon to about $51 per ton. The figure factors into a wide variety of policy decisions including EPA regulations and government spending.

The move dramatically raises the value of carbon, which had fallen to as little as $1 under President Trump. The figure used by Biden mirrors estimates from the Obama-era, when it was $50 a ton. And it stands to go higher in January after the administration completes a comprehensive overhaul of carbon’s value.


https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/cost-of-carbon-pollution-pegged-at-51-a-ton/
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4408 on: March 01, 2021, 08:41:43 PM »
Riding a wave of optimism about renewed global climate action, The Nature Conservancy (TNC) is thrilled to announce the appointment of Professor Katharine Hayhoe as its new Chief Scientist.

Widely recognized as one of the world’s most effective and engaging climate scientists and science communicators, Prof. Hayhoe’s body of work at the cutting edge of climate research and human impacts has earned tremendous recognition. The United Nations selected her for its prestigious UN Champions of the Earth accolade in 2019; TIME Magazine featured her on its 100 Most Influential People list (2014); and the World Evangelical Alliance named her their climate ambassador this past year. A frequent media commentator known for engaging diverse audiences around the world, her TED talk has nearly 4 million views. She is also author of the forthcoming book Saving Us: A Climate Scientist’s Case for Hope and Healing in a Divided World, which looks at how all of us can, and must, play a role in saving our future (One Signal/Simon & Schuster, September 2021).


https://www.nature.org/en-us/newsroom/katharine-hayhoe-new-chief-scientist/?src=s_two.exc.x.x.&sf139557383=1
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4409 on: March 02, 2021, 08:28:41 AM »
I'd like to read her plan for getting us somewhere.  Just to think of the Gates goal, it's clearly impracticable, a cut of CO2 emissions in half by 2030, GLOBALLY.

I might allow that the US and EU could manage that, in a pinch, I don't think it's practicable there either, I can't see it.  But China and India ....

Let's set a goal that is stretching but at least barely achievable and estimate the cost and benefit.

 

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