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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4186 on: February 15, 2021, 04:55:08 PM »
Yup the wind turbines can freeze up, and what's worse is they actually REQUIRE power when they're this cold, to keep from damaging them, so not only are they NOT generating, they're actually draining energy from the grid.

Also, solar [panels are covered in snow and not generating.

Also, the natural gas pipelines are freezing up, so lots of that generating capacity is now offline.

Also, we killed off about 5 coal plants nearby, in the past 5 years, and moved a lot of that capacity to wind, solar, and natural gas.

So... well... here we are.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4187 on: February 15, 2021, 04:56:54 PM »
How can an NG pipeline freeze up?  valves?
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4188 on: February 15, 2021, 04:58:25 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on February 15, 2021, 04:56:54 PM
How can an NG pipeline freeze up?  valves?
I haven't dug into it but yeah, I'm assuming it's valves.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4189 on: February 15, 2021, 04:59:49 PM »
must have special "lube" for the wind mills here in the upper midwest

I can't see any of them from my office window, but I've not heard about freezing up problems in the past.  Well, not enough to knock down the grid.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4190 on: February 15, 2021, 05:00:11 PM »
My daughter's power just came back on

She lost power about 8 this morning

Her house was 40 degrees and she had to go to her car for heat

when this is over there will be a lot of angry folks wanting to know what happened and how to avoid it

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4191 on: February 15, 2021, 05:01:28 PM »
Quote from: longhorn320 on February 15, 2021, 05:00:11 PM
when this is over there will be a lot of angry folks wanting to know what happened and how to avoid it


more money spent by the government for an investigation
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4192 on: February 15, 2021, 05:01:52 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on February 15, 2021, 04:59:49 PM
must have special "lube" for the wind mills here in the upper midwest

I can't see any of them from my office window, but I've not heard about freezing up problems in the past.  Well, not enough to knock down the grid.
I think it's freezing rain, not snow, that does it.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4193 on: February 15, 2021, 05:03:45 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on February 15, 2021, 04:59:49 PM
must have special "lube" for the wind mills here in the upper midwest

I can't see any of them from my office window, but I've not heard about freezing up problems in the past.  Well, not enough to knock down the grid.

This is a once-in-a-generation kind of event, they just don't mitigate risks for extreme corner-cases like this.

Quote from: longhorn320 on February 15, 2021, 05:00:11 PM
My daughter's power just came back on

She lost power about 8 this morning

Her house was 40 degrees and she had to go to her car for heat

when this is over there will be a lot of angry folks wanting to know what happened and how to avoid it



See my response above.

For me, the only real problem that could have been avoided with some planning, is the "rolling blackouts" that haven't rolled at all.  Some people (including Bald Greg) have been without power since 2 AM.  Some people (like me) haven't lost power at all.  That's a failure in planning, execution, or both, that could have been avoided and should be corrected.

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4194 on: February 15, 2021, 05:05:10 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on February 15, 2021, 05:01:52 PM
I think it's freezing rain, not snow, that does it.
believe it or not, we get our fair share of freezing rain and sleet
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4195 on: February 15, 2021, 05:05:15 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on February 15, 2021, 05:01:28 PM
more money spent by the government for an investigation
youre right 

better not spend any money trying to keep this from happening again

lets just sit on our hands and complain
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4196 on: February 15, 2021, 05:06:49 PM »
well, y'all might not get weather like this again for 100 years

by then whatever money spent "wasted" on the investigation and cure, might be obsolete and unless
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4197 on: February 15, 2021, 05:07:32 PM »
especially if the average temp increases by 5 degrees in the next century
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4198 on: February 15, 2021, 05:09:42 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on February 15, 2021, 05:06:49 PM
well, y'all might not get weather like this again for 100 years

by then whatever money spent "wasted" on the investigation and cure, might be obsolete and unless

I assume there are NG pipelines running to power plants in the north that DON'T freeze up.  We should probably investigate why, and see if something can be done-- within reasonable cost-- to help ourselves out there. 

Same thing for the lubrication.  Wind power generation happens all over this country, and numerous others, in cold conditions.  Is there a reasonable way to address this?

But the real thing I'd work on, is a plan for correctly and efficiently conducting rolling blackouts.  Because that's not something that JUST happens in extreme cold, it can also happen in extreme heat, which we get quite a bit of down here.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4199 on: February 15, 2021, 05:22:05 PM »
I think it's freezing rain, or just rain that gets into bad spots on the turbines and then freezes.  I know in Germany they power them up to keep them rotating when the wind dies down.

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