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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #10948 on: October 03, 2024, 03:52:24 PM »
"Why don't we have a comprehensive plan to fix a problem that half the country doesn't believe is a problem" ad infinitum and beyond
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #10949 on: October 03, 2024, 04:06:32 PM »
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #10950 on: October 03, 2024, 04:08:06 PM »
Quote from: MaximumSam on October 03, 2024, 03:52:24 PM
"Why don't we have a comprehensive plan to fix a problem that half the country doesn't believe is a problem" ad infinitum and beyond
We all know we have a problem.

Present a solution that is realistic.

(Hint: you can't. Nobody can.)
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #10951 on: October 03, 2024, 04:50:53 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on October 03, 2024, 04:08:06 PM
We all know we have a problem.

Present a solution that is realistic.

(Hint: you can't. Nobody can.)
For one, Trump has called it a scam, so I wouldn't agree that we all know we have a problem. That's what makes it "unrealistic" to mitigate.
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #10952 on: October 03, 2024, 04:58:25 PM »
Quote from: MaximumSam on October 03, 2024, 04:50:53 PM
For one, Trump has called it a scam, so I wouldn't agree that we all know we have a problem. That's what makes it "unrealistic" to mitigate.
He knows it's a problem.

He called all the proposals to "fix" it a scam, and they are, because it can't be fixed.
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #10953 on: October 03, 2024, 07:39:30 PM »
there's a small percentage of folks that don't believe CO2 is causing enough global warming to cause a problem

that's NO reason for the folks that seem positive about it to not device a plan to save the planet, if a plan could be devised.
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #10954 on: October 04, 2024, 07:44:19 AM »
Whether however many folks don't believe it's a problem is unrelated to whether those who think it is has any sort of a smidgen of an outline of a rough draft of some plan.
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #10955 on: October 04, 2024, 07:44:54 AM »


That brown is the high water line near the Biltmore Estate (this is the main entrance).
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #10956 on: October 04, 2024, 07:47:34 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on October 04, 2024, 07:44:19 AM
Whether however many folks don't believe it's a problem is unrelated to whether those who think it is has any sort of a smidgen of an outline of a rough draft of some plan.
It's quite related, actually
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #10957 on: October 04, 2024, 07:54:14 AM »
If someone could forward said rough draft proposal, maybe more folks would buy in.  One at least needs a plan to garner support in my view, otherwise it's just whining.

But I gather you think since some folks don't believe in CC, there is no need to try anything at all. It's hopeless, no need for a plan because some don't think it's real.  OK then.
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #10958 on: October 04, 2024, 07:59:00 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on October 04, 2024, 07:54:14 AM
If someone could forward said rough draft proposal, maybe more folks would buy in.  One at least needs a plan to garner support in my view, otherwise it's just whining.

But I gather you think since some folks don't believe in CC, there is no need to try anything at all. It's hopeless, no need for a plan because some don't think it's real.  OK then.
I find it unlikely that people would support a plan to solve a problem that they don't believe exists. I suppose you think that is somehow irrelevant in a democracy where everyone can vote. Okay then. Who cares about the details of how policy gets implemented.
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #10959 on: October 04, 2024, 08:12:49 AM »
Then we might as well stop discussing it since there is no plan, there is no wide consensus, and there is no hope that a leader could lead us to one.

I strongly feel a realistic plan would be advantageous, then "we" could evaluate the cost and pain versus the benefit and gain.  Now, we can't, it's just "throw money at it".  That money then is wasted.

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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #10960 on: October 04, 2024, 08:19:30 AM »
I don't get too worked up about things that are unlikely to change anytime soon
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #10961 on: October 04, 2024, 08:24:25 AM »
I get slightly worked up over spending billions on a "problem" that can't be solved even with trillions.

I suppose it's jobs for someone out there, and probably money for millionaire investors and political supporters.

I also worry that some of the steps being taken will destabilize our electrical grid, which could be bad.
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