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betarhoalphadelta

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Re: Travels and Impressions
« Reply #3780 on: June 24, 2026, 07:09:37 PM »
My one and only visit to SoCal many years ago, I heard that a lot.  You won't hear that in the South, or in any part of Texas I've frequented. 

Another odd thing to my ears when I was there--although this may not be specific to LA dwellers, since you just used it--they called interstate highways the freeway.  Freeway is not a term I'm used to hearing.  People in the places I've lived say "take the interstate," or "take I-10," but they won't say "take the freeway." 
Yeah, I use interstate, too, but freeway and highway are common here, likely because 101, which is a primary road throughout California, is not an interstate (and, for some reason, interstates and 101--freeways--are not highways).
Yeah, there are a lot of CA state highways that are many lanes, and are limited access highways, but are (of course) not interstates. So "freeway" works. It doesn't require us to distinguish between the two. Especially since in SoCal or the Bay Area, it's not like you're crossing another state line in less than 4+ hours from wherever you are anyway. 

And it's a contrast to the toll roads, which we also have. 

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« Reply #3781 on: June 24, 2026, 08:04:23 PM »
And it's a contrast to the toll roads, which we also have.
"Managed lanes." 

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« Reply #3782 on: June 24, 2026, 10:03:10 PM »
Interstates have to be freeways. 

Highways (state/US routes) can be freeways, or they can ocellate back and forth. 

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« Reply #3783 on: June 25, 2026, 07:44:35 AM »
Interstates have to be freeways.

Highways (state/US routes) can be freeways, or they can ocellate back and forth.
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« Reply #3784 on: June 25, 2026, 10:47:52 AM »
Yeah, I use interstate, too, but freeway and highway are common here, likely because 101, which is a primary road throughout California, is not an interstate (and, for some reason, interstates and 101--freeways--are not highways).

I don't know the etymology of the terms, but "freeway" seems like a good alternative for "interstate," simply because, as the name implies, the interstate is free (of tolls, maybe not free of taxpayer dollars).  "Highway" suggests to me we're talking about state or federal highways, which are their own system separate from the interstates and have distinct road signs.  So it feels wrong to me to refer to an interstate as a highway.  But since interstates and highways are both free (I think....toll roads tend to be outside those systems, I think), then I guess they could be referred to as freeways.  

Just not a thing we say around here.  

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« Reply #3785 on: June 25, 2026, 11:03:44 AM »
I don't know the etymology of the terms, but "freeway" seems like a good alternative for "interstate," simply because, as the name implies, the interstate is free (of tolls, maybe not free of taxpayer dollars).  "Highway" suggests to me we're talking about state or federal highways, which are their own system separate from the interstates and have distinct road signs.  So it feels wrong to me to refer to an interstate as a highway.  But since interstates and highways are both free (I think....toll roads tend to be outside those systems, I think), then I guess they could be referred to as freeways. 

Just not a thing we say around here. 
In Illinois, Interstates 80/94*, 88, 90, 94, 294 and 355 are not free outside of the City of Chicago, nor to get in/out of Chicago on 90 to Indiana on the Chicago Skyway.

Illinois Route 390 is tollway. I-490 will not be free when it's done (it's only taken 9 years so far).

* 80/94 come together to the South and into Indiana.


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« Reply #3786 on: June 25, 2026, 11:30:55 AM »
Sounds awesome, although I'm sorry that you missed out on the California coastal redwoods. My earliest family vacation memories are of staying in a cabin on the Smith River (the only undammed river in the west, allegedly) near Crescent City. We went there many summers in a row, until I was about 10, I think, and I went back a couple of times in my early 20s. It's a beautiful place (and home of the Forest Moon of Endor). But the roads have always been tricky. Back then it was negotiating with massive lumber trucks--and it might still be.

Side note: in NorCal, when we hear people refer to freeways with a "the" in front of it, we think those are LA/SoCal people, as in "the 5," "the 110," or, as above, "the 101." Here, I take 101 to 92, then south on 1 (to get to the coast that Fearless and his daughters visited). In LA, they would take "the 101 to the 92, then south on the 1." I'm curious if that's more common nationwide than I realized (referring to the freeway with a "the" in front of it)?
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« Reply #3787 on: June 25, 2026, 12:11:59 PM »
Reading this thread's discussion about road naming conventions reminds me that technically 101 is "Highway 101," as it is a US "highway," with the sign to match. I'm not sure why no one here thinks of it as a highway. We have lots of state highways around that we all use that term for. I remember when they removed the last traffic light from 101 down in Santa Barbara in 1991. My sister was in college there when it happened. I guess that was the cue to everyone that it then had to be a freeway, not a highway.

Riffraft, that sounds like an amazing trip. Make it back to Yosemite sometime, but shoot for late April or early May, when the crowds will be lesser and the water will be flowing through the waterfalls at a higher volume.

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Re: Travels and Impressions
« Reply #3788 on: June 25, 2026, 02:34:40 PM »
Reading this thread's discussion about road naming conventions reminds me that technically 101 is "Highway 101," as it is a US "highway," with the sign to match. I'm not sure why no one here thinks of it as a highway. We have lots of state highways around that we all use that term for. I remember when they removed the last traffic light from 101 down in Santa Barbara in 1991. My sister was in college there when it happened. I guess that was the cue to everyone that it then had to be a freeway, not a highway.
I know there are areas of it that aren't limited-access, but in populated areas it has all the hallmarks of what I'd call a freeway. 

And as Badge mentions, "expressway" works better in Chicago because so many of them are tolled, not free. 

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Re: Travels and Impressions
« Reply #3789 on: June 25, 2026, 03:46:16 PM »
We just call those toll roads.  Some people say "tollway," but that's much less common.  

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« Reply #3790 on: June 25, 2026, 06:26:18 PM »
We have a highway that's a two lane road with exits instead of intersections. I call it a pseudo freeway.

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« Reply #3791 on: June 25, 2026, 07:03:35 PM »
Two lanes each way?
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« Reply #3792 on: June 25, 2026, 07:49:54 PM »
I feel (and this is very common in NYC region)  that Chicagoans (and maybe I'm biased as i listen WBBM traffic on the 8s and can freehand a Chicago 'expressway' map I've driven through/around it so many times) when I cruise through, use the 'Named' moniker of the road more than using any other type of term of art.  (e.g.  Dan Ryan, Bishop Ford, Kennedy, Edens, Eisenhower, tri-state, etc.).   About the only one that gets called out by number 100% of the time is 'Eighty-Ninety-Four'   which is probably my most hated stretch of road in America.

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Re: Travels and Impressions
« Reply #3793 on: June 25, 2026, 09:28:52 PM »
Two lanes each way?
Nope two total, one each way, yella striping, all exits. It will eventually be two each way, but two are paved, the other two are gravel. The exit ramps on the gravel side stretch across the gravel and merge onto the paved side.

 

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