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CWSooner

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Re: Top 25
« Reply #476 on: November 19, 2019, 02:23:36 PM »
Quote from: ELA on November 19, 2019, 01:54:31 PM
Andy Staples was saying on his podcast this week that at this point LSU is just a Big XII team, but because they play in the SEC, nobody is saying it.  Their flaws are the exact same flaws that Oklahoma has had in recent years.
Staples is right, to a point.  Not much talk about LSU's bad defense because SEC! SEC! SEC!

But LSU's defense is not nearly as bad as the OU defenses of 2017 and '18.  Those were world-class bad defenses.

All things considered, including a talent deficit, Alex Grinch as DC has been a great change for the better as far as the OU defense is concerned.
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Re: Top 25
« Reply #477 on: November 19, 2019, 07:28:51 PM »
Yeah, 2019 LSU is allowing almost 10 fewer points per game than last year's Oklahoma team that made the playoff.  So let's not get crazy here.  



LSU is more like a XII team, that's completely true.  And if their defense is that porous, it will cost them eventually.  If they were to chalk out the rest of the season as the #1 team, they'll be facing Georgia, then whoever is #4 in the country, then the Ohio St-Clemson winner.  One of those teams is surely going to bite the Tigers and expose that defense.  And if they don't, then LSU will have earned their title.



National champions do tend to have very good defenses, so when the time comes to make predictions, that will be a huge mark against LSU.  But let's get there first - a lot of football to be played.
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Re: Top 25
« Reply #478 on: November 19, 2019, 07:31:21 PM »
One thing about defense is how long the offense runs clock.  Look at UGA, nice statistical defense, but often the offense is running 8 minutes drives.

Oklahoma also had a quick strike offense.  They seem to go hand in hand.
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Re: Top 25
« Reply #479 on: November 19, 2019, 07:33:58 PM »
Quote from: CWSooner on November 19, 2019, 01:48:41 PM
Apropos of nothing at all, Ohio State leads FBS in total defense.

Clemson is #2, Utah #3, Wisconsin #4, Michigan #5, Georgia #6.

Iowa is #12, Florida #13, Oregon #14.

Penn State is #17.

Auburn is #24, Texas A&M #25, TCU #26, Alabama #27.

Michigan State is #31, Northwestern #33.

Oklahoma is #36, Baylor #40, Iowa State #41, Kansas State #43.

LSU is #47.  Probably auditioning for membership in the Big 12, where nobody knows how to play defense the way SEC teams play it.

https://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fbs/current/team/22?scrlybrkr=8a809eab
Although the LSU point somewhat stands, total defense is a bad stat.
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Re: Top 25
« Reply #480 on: November 19, 2019, 07:38:02 PM »
It's not a "bad stat", it's an incomplete stat (which I think is what you mean).  LSU has faced more "good teams" than most in the top ten.

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Re: Top 25
« Reply #481 on: November 19, 2019, 07:38:25 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on November 19, 2019, 07:31:21 PM
One thing about defense is how long the offense runs clock.  Look at UGA, nice statistical defense, but often the offense is running 8 minutes drives.

Oklahoma also had a quick strike offense.  They seem to go hand in hand.
I mean, UGA is fifth in yards per play allowed. OU is 50th. 
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Re: Top 25
« Reply #482 on: November 19, 2019, 07:40:46 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on November 19, 2019, 07:38:02 PM
It's not a "bad stat", it's an incomplete stat (which I think is what you mean).  LSU has faced more "good teams" than most in the top ten.


It’s mostly a bad stat because of the range of tempos, like you said. We can improve it by simply using yards per play with no drawback. 

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Re: Top 25
« Reply #483 on: November 19, 2019, 07:43:19 PM »
I think one should eliminate statistics from pastry games in such comparisons, and ideally look at common opponents.
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Re: Top 25
« Reply #484 on: November 19, 2019, 08:15:16 PM »
Ed Zachery CD,something logical to go by,not perfect but much better than totally uncommon opponents
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Re: Top 25
« Reply #485 on: November 19, 2019, 08:29:50 PM »
Anybody else itching to watch this year's Orange Bowl?  Alabama vs Virginia?  Georgia vs Wake Forest??

CAN'T WAIT !!!
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« Reply #486 on: November 19, 2019, 08:35:12 PM »
Well they can play Oklahoma/Utah/Oregon - ya better not chance it go with Virginia.
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Re: Top 25
« Reply #487 on: November 19, 2019, 08:47:09 PM »
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Re: Top 25
« Reply #488 on: November 19, 2019, 08:58:38 PM »
There are 20 P5 teams in the top 25......and 18 of them are ranked by number of losses.  Only Baylor and ND buck the trend. 
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Re: Top 25
« Reply #489 on: November 19, 2019, 08:59:09 PM »
Quote from: MrNubbz on November 19, 2019, 08:35:12 PM
Well they can play Oklahoma/Utah/Oregon - ya better not chance it go with Virginia.
I'm hoping you didn't miss the point....
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