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Topic: CFB 51 Cookbook, equipment discussion, techniques

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Re: CFB 51 Cookbook, equipment discussion, techniques
« Reply #1610 on: February 28, 2025, 09:05:15 AM »
Is there an "original chili recipe" in the books somewhere?  My guess is folks back when made it with whatever they had available in various different forms.

Maybe it's at Wendy's???

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« Reply #1611 on: February 28, 2025, 09:42:03 AM »
There are old recipes from the Chili Queens in San Antonio.

Don't think there are any recorded recipes from the cowboys herding cattle on the trail back in the day.  We have a good idea that they used pretty much just meat and dried chiles, things like fresh tomato or fresh peppers weren't available.

Dried beans were of course available, some assert they were made alongside but not in the chili itself.  No real way to know.  But the fact that once the dish made it to restaurants/food stands in the city and the recorded recipes don't include beans, might be an indicator that beans weren't cooked in the chili on the trail, either.

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Re: CFB 51 Cookbook, equipment discussion, techniques
« Reply #1612 on: February 28, 2025, 09:56:46 AM »
I like "one pot cooking" myself for obvious reasons.  "On the trail", it would make even more sense, maybe they also baked corn bread or something.  If they had beans, my GUESS is they threw it all into the one pot.  It's basically a stew, usually using tough meat cooked to where it's more edible.

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« Reply #1613 on: February 28, 2025, 10:25:21 AM »
I like "one pot cooking" myself for obvious reasons.  "On the trail", it would make even more sense, maybe they also baked corn bread or something.  If they had beans, my GUESS is they threw it all into the one pot.  It's basically a stew, usually using tough meat cooked to where it's more edible.
My guess is they didn't, because the oldest original recipes that must have evolved from the trail chili, don't have beans in them.  Why would a restaurant/food stand remove beans, a cheap filler ingredient that could easily stretch the chili and provide a larger profit margin, if they were actually part of the original recipe?

I imagine there were times on the trail when they had beans and no meat at all.  In those cases, I'd assume that just the beans were made.  When they had meat,  chili was made and perhaps beans were made as well.

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« Reply #1614 on: February 28, 2025, 10:58:40 AM »
some of the stories I've read stated that the dried beans had to be soaked and the process took some time and therefore didn't lend itself to using in chili along the cattle trail

It's said that wild onions, garlic, chilies and other spices planted along the trails by the chuckwagon cooks were used
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« Reply #1615 on: February 28, 2025, 11:00:46 AM »
Keep a lookout for the bean dip.
found some great Rueben wrap appetizers and chislic at an Irish Pub
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Re: CFB 51 Cookbook, equipment discussion, techniques
« Reply #1616 on: February 28, 2025, 11:05:56 AM »
Maybe diners simply didn't like beans in their chili so the restaurants took it out, or had it optional.  An undercooked bean is of course unappealing, perhaps the chili they made with beans didn't cook long enough for the beans, so they just took them out.

Cincinnati chili as you know comes in various "ways" and only the five way has beans, but they are added after the fact.  I discovered I preferred  the four way, which has no beans, or the six way without beans, which only one parlor offers anyway, it has fried jalapenoes as the sixth item.  And yes, this is a Mediterranean dish in origin.  There isn't much similarity to regular chili at all, I guess they used the term to make it sound somewhat familiar.  It's a very very regional dish, one of the most regional I know of.

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Re: CFB 51 Cookbook, equipment discussion, techniques
« Reply #1617 on: February 28, 2025, 12:13:23 PM »
beans of course are mostly inexpensive filler, probably added by poor folks to stretch the meal to a few more hungry mouths
Perhaps during the great depression

not part of the original recipe
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« Reply #1618 on: February 28, 2025, 12:51:55 PM »
Maybe diners simply didn't like beans in their chili so the restaurants took it out, or had it optional.  An undercooked bean is of course unappealing, perhaps the chili they made with beans didn't cook long enough for the beans, so they just took them out.

Cincinnati chili as you know comes in various "ways" and only the five way has beans, but they are added after the fact.  I discovered I preferred  the four way, which has no beans, or the six way without beans, which only one parlor offers anyway, it has fried jalapenoes as the sixth item.  And yes, this is a Mediterranean dish in origin.  There isn't much similarity to regular chili at all, I guess they used the term to make it sound somewhat familiar.  It's a very very regional dish, one of the most regional I know of.
Right.  It's not chili, it's just Mediterranean spaghetti sauce, over noodles, with various available toppings.  Calling it "chili" served their purpose at the time, but it has since confused the issue.

No matter, I know exactly what it is and am in no danger of accidentally consuming it, when my true intent is to eat  chili.


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Re: CFB 51 Cookbook, equipment discussion, techniques
« Reply #1619 on: March 02, 2025, 12:38:38 PM »


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Re: CFB 51 Cookbook, equipment discussion, techniques
« Reply #1620 on: March 02, 2025, 01:08:30 PM »
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« Reply #1621 on: March 02, 2025, 01:35:24 PM »
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Re: CFB 51 Cookbook, equipment discussion, techniques
« Reply #1623 on: March 02, 2025, 08:03:09 PM »
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