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Topic: Summer has ended, long live summer (8/31/19 SOC)

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Re: Summer has ended, long live summer (8/31/19 SOC)
« Reply #168 on: September 02, 2019, 01:53:41 PM »
Bayareabadger brings up a good point.  S&P+ is a better metric than raw stats.

In 2018, Oklahoma was #84 in S&P+.  That's unacceptably bad, but it's not as bad as the raw stats--including 129th in pass defense--indicated.

Teams that ranked lower in last year's S&P+ that you don't automatically think of as having had "garbage" defenses were Arizona State (86), Purdue (88), Ole Miss (90), UCLA (97), Louisville (99), and Georgia Tech (100).  TCU (16) was the best Big 12 team.

Interestingly, the distance between ratings shrinks when you get to teams ranked low.  There was less distance in the S&P+ ratings between Nevada (S&P+ of 28.0, ranked #63) and Oklahoma (30.0/#84) than there was between Mississippi State (10.5/#1) and Clemson (12.6/#3).  I'm not sure what that means.  Maybe that there were a lot of teams with pretty bad defenses.

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ncaadef/2018
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Re: Summer has ended, long live summer (8/31/19 SOC)
« Reply #169 on: September 02, 2019, 01:55:52 PM »
Interesting.  How specifically do the advanced stats take into account that Texas is likely playing more high-scoring/high yardage offenses in the B12 than Georgia is in the SEC?
This website has a good explanation of S&P+.

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Re: Summer has ended, long live summer (8/31/19 SOC)
« Reply #170 on: September 02, 2019, 08:45:59 PM »
First couple of drives Louisville moving the ball like they used to. Went straight down the field on ND.

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Re: Summer has ended, long live summer (8/31/19 SOC)
« Reply #171 on: September 02, 2019, 10:19:53 PM »
Notre Dame's defense looks pretty weak. The QBs 3 fumbles are the main reason Louisville hasn't scored more.... Also has anyone else every seen a sequence of fumbles on 3 consecutive plays? I sure haven't.

Meanwhile, Louisville's defense doesn't look that great, but they're still getting enough stops to keep the game close. We'll see how the domers do against the rest of the first half of their schedule, but this game looks a lot less dangerous than I was expecting....
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Re: Summer has ended, long live summer (8/31/19 SOC)
« Reply #172 on: September 02, 2019, 10:29:59 PM »
Notre Dame's defense looks pretty weak. The QBs 3 fumbles are the main reason Louisville hasn't scored more.... Also has anyone else every seen a sequence of fumbles on 3 consecutive plays? I sure haven't.

Meanwhile, Louisville's defense doesn't look that great, but they're still getting enough stops to keep the game close. We'll see how the domers do against the rest of the first half of their schedule, but this game looks a lot less dangerous than I was expecting....
My junior year in HS I played in a game where the teams turned it over on 3 consecutive plays.  We fumbled it, the next play I recovered a fumble to get it back (the whole reason I told this story 😉), and we fumbled it back the very next play.

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Re: Summer has ended, long live summer (8/31/19 SOC)
« Reply #173 on: September 02, 2019, 10:38:55 PM »
I think people who don't remember seeing 3 consecutive fumbles before, don't remember watching a lot of option football/wishbone, etc.  Not that it was a weekly thing, but I recall it, and other combinations of 3 consecutive turnovers.

A lot of fumbling tonight, generally.

Last year GT fumbled on three consecutive plays with the ball (not necessarily with Duke fumbling as well in succession).    I know it happened in an NFL game, somebody posted that it occurred in a Redskins/Falcons game this century.   They also were talking about the Rams/Bears had 3 turnovers on one play within the last decade.
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Re: Summer has ended, long live summer (8/31/19 SOC)
« Reply #174 on: September 02, 2019, 10:58:33 PM »
Horns don't play FCS. :)

Interesting.  How specifically do the advanced stats take into account that Texas is likely playing more high-scoring/high yardage offenses in the B12 than Georgia is in the SEC?
The first part is they're built either on per-play or per-drive data. So that reduces some of the tempo factor. After that, they adjust for opponent quality in their respective metrics. I do not know the finer points of that math, though to a degree I think it's sort of a complex matrix of how did you hold a team below or above its usual output. 

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Re: Summer has ended, long live summer (8/31/19 SOC)
« Reply #175 on: September 02, 2019, 11:01:36 PM »
Some dancer or cheerleader from Louisville just had a Marcia Brady moment.  Book threw the ball away and it appeared to hit her right in the face.

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Re: Summer has ended, long live summer (8/31/19 SOC)
« Reply #176 on: September 03, 2019, 12:31:16 AM »
There may have been fumbles on 3 straight plays when I went to the Florida @ Tennessee game, I'm thinking 2002.  Let me check.


Yup...in the rain in Knoxville, UTK fumbled 7 times in the first half, including...
After a scoreless first quarter, the rain began falling heavily,
and that's when the Gators swamped the Vols. In a sequence that saw
Tennessee fumble the ball on four consecutive plays, the Gators ran
to a 24-0 halftime lead.

They didn't lose all those fumbles, but they happened.  Here's what happened:
Fumbled snap (in the rain), turnover.
Florida scores.
Fumbled kickoff return, turnover.
Florida immediately throws an INT at the 1 yd line.
Fumbled snap, recovered.
Fumbled snap, recovered.

So on Tennessee's end, that's 4 straight fumbles.
« Last Edit: September 03, 2019, 12:40:29 AM by OrangeAfroMan »
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Re: Summer has ended, long live summer (8/31/19 SOC)
« Reply #177 on: September 03, 2019, 04:04:08 PM »

@847badgerfan

From the Tuesday post-practice press conference in Lincoln::::

Husker secondary coach Travis Fisher would be lying if he said he hasn't thought about some item like Miami's "Turnover Chain" that Nebraska players get after a takeaway. But in the end, he decided, "I don't think that's Nebraska football. I think it's just, hey, let's put on the hard hat and let's go play physical football."
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Re: Summer has ended, long live summer (8/31/19 SOC)
« Reply #178 on: September 03, 2019, 05:02:25 PM »
Nebraska's going to have a Turnover Hard Hat?

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Re: Summer has ended, long live summer (8/31/19 SOC)
« Reply #179 on: September 03, 2019, 05:15:54 PM »
doubtful
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Re: Summer has ended, long live summer (8/31/19 SOC)
« Reply #180 on: September 03, 2019, 05:31:45 PM »
Just back from the pool, it's still low 90°s here of course, not bad humidity.  Somebody cleaned the deck, which is nice, but they flushed everything into the pool, which isn't.

I wouldn't clean the deck at this time of year anyway.

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Re: Summer has ended, long live summer (8/31/19 SOC)
« Reply #181 on: September 03, 2019, 06:25:40 PM »
low of 51 forecast here tonight

high of 79 tomorrow

great sleeping and golfing weather

summer is over
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