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Topic: Sporty Cars (and trucks too now)

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Re: Sporty Cars (and trucks too now)
« Reply #3892 on: March 13, 2026, 01:11:14 PM »
My brother in law (10 yrs to the day younger than I) is really into these as well.  Has one and put his son in another, but they're not even convertibles.

My exposure to Fords of that era was when the term Fix Or Repair Daily was well earned. 
Yeah I've commented on this fable quite a few times.  From that era I've owned 2 Chrysler and one Ford.  My brother had 3 different Chevies.  None of them were any better or worse than the others.

I find automobile brand loyalty to be weird.  It's unnecessarily clannish.  I guess as an engineer I just sift through the emotions and look at the facts.


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Re: Sporty Cars (and trucks too now)
« Reply #3893 on: March 13, 2026, 01:12:58 PM »
Each of the Big 3 spent the 80s trying to catch up to far superior maintenance records in Japanese cars. While Toyota is still the best of the bunch, in the last 20 years or so the differences haven't been so big, but in the 1970s and 1980s it was a big gap.

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« Reply #3894 on: March 13, 2026, 01:16:47 PM »
Each of the Big 3 spent the 80s trying to catch up to far superior maintenance records in Japanese cars. While Toyota is still the best of the bunch, in the last 20 years or so the differences haven't been so big, but in the 1970s and 1980s it was a big gap.
Yeah I'll agree with that.  But among Americans my age, talking about that era of cars, the "automobile wars" never include the Japanese cars.

It's always a Ford-GM-Chrysler conversation.

And from my observation there's just no difference between them.  The 80s Chrysler products probably have the worst reputation of all of them, but in my experience they're still pretty much the same.

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« Reply #3895 on: March 13, 2026, 01:25:40 PM »
in 1980 - we were only 35 years from the end of WWII and many still held feelings towards the Japanese

many would recognize superior reliability and longevity but wouldn't buy them or drive them
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« Reply #3896 on: March 13, 2026, 01:34:55 PM »
in 1980 - we were only 35 years from the end of WWII and many still held feelings towards the Japanese

many would recognize superior reliability and longevity but wouldn't buy them or drive them
Yup.  My dad was born in 1940 and has little or no direct memory of WWII, but the resentment lingered on for decades.  He didn't buy anything other than American until about 2010.


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« Reply #3897 on: March 13, 2026, 01:48:01 PM »
I had a neighbor who bought a Honda Accord in 1981, at around the same time I bought a Cadillac Cimmaron (I know, it had a manual).  He was kind of in your face about stuff and I avoided him usually but he went on and on about the mistake I had made.  About three years later he had a bad rust spot on the read of his car and I asked him about it, he turned around in anger and marched off, which was fine with me.  I do think GM had better rust protection back then.

I put 123,000 miles on that car.  It was slow as molasses in winter time, but we had a 55 mph speed limit also.  It got pretty good mpgs and handled pretty well.  No rust.


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Re: Sporty Cars (and trucks too now)
« Reply #3898 on: March 13, 2026, 02:08:01 PM »
I look down on folks that drive Honda and Toyota sedans while I drive my chevy impala
but, I never get in anyone's face about it 
(well, I might give my little brother some grief)
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Re: Sporty Cars (and trucks too now)
« Reply #3899 on: March 13, 2026, 02:26:13 PM »
I think (mostly based on what car mags have to say) that the Accord today is the best overall vehicle out there.  Obviously it's not suited for everyone's needs.

I idly wonder if the "mini-ute" craze is ebbing a bit.  An Accord hybrid is impressive.

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Re: Sporty Cars (and trucks too now)
« Reply #3900 on: March 13, 2026, 03:13:49 PM »
AI Overview
2021 Chevy Malibu vs. Honda Accord 
The 2025/2026 Chevy Malibu is generally more affordable, starting around $25,800–$26,000, while the 2025/2026 Honda Accord starts at a higher price point of roughly $28,000–$29,500. The Malibu offers better initial value for budget-conscious buyers, while the Accord provides superior resale value,
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Re: Sporty Cars (and trucks too now)
« Reply #3901 on: March 13, 2026, 03:27:34 PM »
I mean, don't get me wrong, I really liked my car and I too wish I still had it.  But IMO it's certainly not among the most beautiful or desirable of Mustangs.  I don't know if there's some movie out that popularized it in the same way F&F popularized the otherwise forgettable Nissan Skyline, or if it's maybe just general 80s nostalgia which is popular among the Tik Tok crowd.  But either way, I find it pretty funny how much the kids are into that model of Mustang.

I don't think the Nissan Skyline is forgettable. Maybe the F&F franchise made in mainstream, but I recall it having a mythical status even back when I was in college. It was always a really good car in the Gran Turismo video game lol...

What really made the Skyline mythical is that they weren't sold in the US. So for American car enthusiasts, they're a forbidden fruit. You knew they were really really good, but you couldn't have one.

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Re: Sporty Cars (and trucks too now)
« Reply #3902 on: March 13, 2026, 03:34:41 PM »
Didn't they market the Skyline under the Infiniti nameplate here?

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Re: Sporty Cars (and trucks too now)
« Reply #3903 on: March 13, 2026, 04:44:25 PM »
I don't think the Nissan Skyline is forgettable. Maybe the F&F franchise made in mainstream, but I recall it having a mythical status even back when I was in college. It was always a really good car in the Gran Turismo video game lol...

What really made the Skyline mythical is that they weren't sold in the US. So for American car enthusiasts, they're a forbidden fruit. You knew they were really really good, but you couldn't have one.

The Skyline is just sort of a square plain jane car.  I'm comparing it to the  Japanese sportscars like the Toyota Supra and Nissan Z cars.  Compared to those, the Skyline is boxy and unimpressive.

I mean honestly, the Fox body Mustangs are way cooler than the Nissan Skyline.

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Re: Sporty Cars (and trucks too now)
« Reply #3904 on: March 13, 2026, 05:09:38 PM »
AI Overview
2021 Chevy Malibu vs. Honda Accord
The 2025/2026 Chevy Malibu is generally more affordable, starting around $25,800–$26,000, while the 2025/2026 Honda Accord starts at a higher price point of roughly $28,000–$29,500. The Malibu offers better initial value for budget-conscious buyers, while the Accord provides superior resale value,
The guy I bought 5 Honda's and a Mazda from said they regularly got Accords traded in with in excess of 300K.  I'd never consider buying an American car with anything close to that.  

The old mechanic that replaced the clutch in that Del Sol I bought from our board member told me he thinks it's how clean the Japanese car's oil was--he could tell a big difference in what came out of the American car used vs. the import.  

I think that's part of why the resale is so high, the things just keep running.  Even if the Big 3 are ever able (or choose) to make stuff as good, they will have 50 years of history to overcome.

That said, my daughter's 2008 Toyota RAV4 was so Americanized, it was a rolling dream for my Import Repair Mechanic.

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Re: Sporty Cars (and trucks too now)
« Reply #3905 on: March 13, 2026, 05:12:07 PM »
yup, I know there's a gap.
Don't think it's nearly as large as it was 
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