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Topic: Sporty Cars (and trucks too now)

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Re: Sporty Cars (and trucks too now)
« Reply #2842 on: April 15, 2025, 11:21:49 AM »
I am not sure a trickle charger would work anyway, if connected to the normal battery.  I don't really understand how this drivetrain works.  It's remarkably unobtrusive when driving it.  I notice when the "EV" light comes on in the dash, I can't really discern otherwise it happened.  Somehow the electric motor is connected to the drive wheels to increment power as needed, and of course the reverse is also true.

And I don't know why the lithium battery would run down in a week of sitting, but it does, so it's powering something.  It has a regular battery, which would seem redundant, I just don't understand it at all.

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Re: Sporty Cars (and trucks too now)
« Reply #2843 on: April 15, 2025, 11:53:00 AM »
Wife would like a Camry, her personal choice.  I'll have to check into that. 

She's been in an Accord for a while now, which she likes okay.  Before that she had a BMW which she hated.  Said it was always in the shop.  I've never had one, but that's the same story I've heard from everyone I know who's owned one. 
Getting me talking about cars is not going to be very consistent with the "sporty" part of this thread, but...
At the end of the day my practicality gets in the way of too much "sporty." We could afford sportier cars, but we don't want to spend the money. Yes, as Badge847 points out, we could buy something used to allow someone else to take the depreciation--and that's generally our goal--but even then, depreciation continues, and the cost of ownership also continues.
The Camry is an excellent car for what it is: a reliable workhourse of a midsized sedan. Will likely run forever, and will perform all the jobs it is designed to perform.
I've shopped for cars threee times in the last 20 years (which I suppose is very little for the average American). Every time I have strongly considered Toyotas and Hondas, and each time I ended up with the Honda because of the way it "feels." I've really liked every Honda I've owned, but Toyotas are even more reliable and are probably the "better" car all around.
This time around--because of the boy's unfortunate miscalculation on a turn--we were thinking about a convertible, but it had to have room in the trunk for a weekend trip to the Coast or the Wine Country (1-2 overnight bags and 1-2 sets of clubs). As noted, the Mustang felt like a strong competitor, but when it came down to how we will actually drive the car, vs. the cost of ownership, we concluded that putting the top down a few times a year for weekend trips wasn't nearly enough to compensate for unresponsive handling (first, and biggest problem for me), poor gas mileage, higher cost of ownership, and more limited use for carting people and things.
We thought very seriously about the Honda Civic hatchback hybrid (hybrid is new for 2025, so only option was to buy it new). It is a very responsive car (i.e., fun to drive by my standards), handles well, has good power-to-weight (for what it is), and looks decent, even as compared to its sedan siblings. Probably would have bought it if the dealer hadn't been such a dufus. Instead, we found a replacement Accord (meaning, to replace our last Accord that the boy wrecked). It's a 2025, but used. Its owner decided he wanted something completely different, and that saved us somewhere between 3K and 6K of off-the-lot depreciation for essentially a brand new car. It was also a fortunate find, in that it was exactly the car (color and trim) that we would have picked if we were specifying what we wanted to a dealer.
In the end we have a lovely and very practical car. Not very exciting, though it does look pretty good.
One added note: our 2019 Accord depreciated approximately $1,000/year. Every car requires maintenance and insurance (and insurance for midsized, non-luxury sedans is pretty low), so our cost of ownership was very, very low. As an investment of capital, we paid less than $100/month to own that car. We're also people who will happily keep a car for 10+ years (we had the car before it for 13 years). The new accord is great in a very practical sense (and appears to get significantly better gas mileage than its predecessor hybrid that already did pretty well).
And that's also what you get in a Camry: a very practical car.


 


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Re: Sporty Cars (and trucks too now)
« Reply #2844 on: April 15, 2025, 12:41:36 PM »
Getting me talking about cars is not going to be very consistent with the "sporty" part of this thread, but...

No worries, I'm right there with you.  Cars have never been a hobby of mine and I've never been much attracted to fast, high-performance ones for their own sake.  Plus, other than basic repairs and maintenance I'm not much of a mechanic, and I'm zero of an engineer, so I can't really join in the discussion much.  

At the end of the day my practicality gets in the way of too much "sporty." We could afford sportier cars, but we don't want to spend the money

I feel you.  I'm a big fan of practicality, even if we could afford sporty or luxury, which wouldn't be a great idea for us anyway.  The only hangup I really have in that regard is I really want another truck someday.  While I hardly ever need one, it frustrates me when I do need one and don't have it.  But truck prices have lost their damn minds, at least around here.  

One added note: our 2019 Accord depreciated approximately $1,000/year. Every car requires maintenance and insurance (and insurance for midsized, non-luxury sedans is pretty low), so our cost of ownership was very, very low. As an investment of capital, we paid less than $100/month to own that car. We're also people who will happily keep a car for 10+ years (we had the car before it for 13 years). The new accord is great in a very practical sense (and appears to get significantly better gas mileage than its predecessor hybrid that already did pretty well).

I don't tend to factor in depreciation much, simply because both the missus and I generally drive our vehicles until the wheels fall off.  I don't usually think in terms of what it's worth, because I don't plan on selling it.  By the time I sell one, or trade it in, it will be so old, so high-mileage, that the value becomes basically a non-issue. 

Thanks for the added info on Camry's.  I've never had one, but she has, as well some of her family and friends who all report good experiences with them.  She was happy with hers, but her ex sold it and got her a BMW she didn't want, which turned out to be not good for her when they divorced, as it spent a lot of time in the shop and it was then her responsibility.  She swapped it for an Accord, though I'm not sure why she didn't go back to a Camry.  Maybe there was a better deal available on the Honda.  Anyway, her Accord is still running great, though it is getting high-mileage and I want to be mindful of not waiting until something breaks down.  I've come to the decision with both of ours, due to age and mileage, the next "major" job that comes up will result in a new purchase.  I think I'm at a comfortable point where I can say we got what we reasonably should have out of these cars and I'm not motivated to spend $ on repair jobs for such old ones anymore.  

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Re: Sporty Cars (and trucks too now)
« Reply #2845 on: April 15, 2025, 12:53:29 PM »
Well I mean, the AMG is about $100,000 more than the Mustang, so I would hope you'd get something for that difference in price... ;)



 Ought it slightly used and “ stole it”.  Paid $100k for it, about $5k more than the Shelby.   But I will say, the Shelby is one of the best cars being produced today.  
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Re: Sporty Cars (and trucks too now)
« Reply #2846 on: April 15, 2025, 12:54:48 PM »
The Camry and Accord are both terrific cars IMHO, boring, but reliable and comfortable etc.  I lean to thinking nearly every car today is "reliable" and durable.


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« Reply #2847 on: April 15, 2025, 12:56:27 PM »
Yeah the folks I know that have had BMWs, Audis, and Volkswagens, have had a rough time with the frequency and magnitude of maintenance/repair bills.

I have owned 3 Audis and 4 BMWs and have had no such issues.   Especially when I compare it to the general motors products, Chrysler products and FORD products that I have owned
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Re: Sporty Cars (and trucks too now)
« Reply #2848 on: April 15, 2025, 01:03:33 PM »
A couple more things on non-sporty cars then.
1) I'm a believer in buying a gently used car. Something 2-4 years old with relatively low mileage. We would have done that here, but the used 2025 that was available was too good to pass on. Especially for a Camry, something with 20-50K miles has a good ten+ years/150K miles left in it, and will save you the drive-off-the-lot depreciation.
2) We didn't expect to lose the 2019 when we did--we were just pleasantly suprised that the depreciation was not nearly what it is on a lot of other cars, e.g., the Mustangs, BMWs, etc. that we considered for a hot second because of their used car values. Those cars dropped in value much faster than our Accord did, which made us feel good about the money we spent on the Accord. The Camry has a similarly low depreciation rate.
3) The funny thing is I grew up really liking cars, classics, 60s muscle, European sportsters, etc. While not a gearhead, I'm reasonably conversant in "car guy" stuff, and--to Utee's comments earlier--feeling the growl of a Ford 5.0 liter V8 does quicken my pulse. Pulling a hard S-turn in a Mazda MX-5 even more so. There's a part of me that would love to be a car guy, but my practicality overrules it. I would rather retire earlier than have a just-for-fun car. And I, too, would love a truck--and will likely have one, if for no other reason than to tow the likely motorcycle that will come back to the wife's life once the kids are settled. A dream of ours is to spend months at a time roadtripping with a rig that allows camping, but also staying at weeks-at-a-time rentals. Whether that rig is a truck or a van is an interesting question...

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Re: Sporty Cars (and trucks too now)
« Reply #2849 on: April 15, 2025, 01:06:48 PM »
I see a difference in cost of maintenance vs repair bills, one kind of car may be worse at one and better at the other.  My GTI was running fine, but they still wanted over $3 K for "maintenance".  I never saw anything remotely like that with any GM product.

(Their recommended maintenanced on a 33,000 mile car included new spark plugs, new brake pads, new rotors(!!!!), air filter, and a bunch of other silliness. Granted, it was at a dealer, but still.  )

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« Reply #2850 on: April 15, 2025, 01:07:15 PM »
The Camry and Accord are both terrific cars IMHO, boring, but reliable and comfortable etc.  I lean to thinking nearly every car today is "reliable" and durable.


Cars to day are sooo much better than cars even 25 years old. Reliability is relative: the average reliablity is much higher than it was through the 90s. And performance is massively improved. Today's "boring" outperforms 1990s sports cars (I'm sure there are exceptions, but as a general rule this is true).

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Re: Sporty Cars (and trucks too now)
« Reply #2851 on: April 15, 2025, 01:10:30 PM »
I have owned 3 Audis and 4 BMWs and have had no such issues.  Especially when I compare it to the general motors products, Chrysler products and FORD products that I have owned
From what you've described about your automotive habits, I might think that you don't own the cars long enough or to high enough mileage that you ever get to the problematic range with those brands :57:


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« Reply #2852 on: April 15, 2025, 01:13:37 PM »
I have owned 3 Audis and 4 BMWs and have had no such issues.  Especially when I compare it to the general motors products, Chrysler products and FORD products that I have owned
OK.

Definitely not the same experience as people I know, who have had a ton of trouble with those brands including one Audi that actually got lemon-lawed.

Sounds to me like you've been pretty lucky, you should probably say a prayer and praise the Lord. :)

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« Reply #2853 on: April 15, 2025, 01:14:19 PM »
From what you've described about your automotive habits, I might think that you don't own the cars long enough or to high enough mileage that you ever get to the problematic range with those brands :57:


Heh, that sounds likely as well. :)

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Re: Sporty Cars (and trucks too now)
« Reply #2854 on: April 15, 2025, 01:15:49 PM »
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« Reply #2855 on: April 15, 2025, 01:18:40 PM »
The Camry and Accord are both terrific cars IMHO, boring, but reliable and comfortable etc.  I lean to thinking nearly every car today is "reliable" and durable.


Yeah.  To continue the boring non-sporty-car talk, I'll reiterate that our Honda Accord is the best car I've ever owned, by a pretty huge margin.

Of course, the Toyota Camry Solara is the worst car I've ever owned, and that includes two different 1980s Chrysler products that I've had...

 

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