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Cincydawg

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Re: Sporty Cars
« Reply #686 on: November 12, 2021, 10:44:32 AM »
2023 Corvette Z06 Sprints To 60 MPH In 2.6 Seconds, Runs The Quarter-Mile In 10.6 Seconds | Carscoops

So much emphasis on raw acceleration numbers on "supercars" these days.  How much fun they are to drive is often absent.

A sporty car should be fun to drive, not just a dragster.
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« Reply #687 on: November 12, 2021, 10:55:36 AM »
if you read enough reviews from enough sources, some odd bloke will offer a line or two of text regarding driveability

I read or watched a video that some dude put together using a C7 for his daily driver, including driving in light snow.

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Re: Sporty Cars
« Reply #688 on: November 12, 2021, 10:57:37 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on November 12, 2021, 10:44:32 AM
2023 Corvette Z06 Sprints To 60 MPH In 2.6 Seconds, Runs The Quarter-Mile In 10.6 Seconds | Carscoops

So much emphasis on raw acceleration numbers on "supercars" these days.  How much fun they are to drive is often absent.

A sporty car should be fun to drive, not just a dragster.
super impressive- and have to say I was not a fan of corvette but GM did an amazing job with the new one - and this right here is insane- the performance for the price might not be able to be beaten. Z06 is like $100k- to get a European sports car with that kind of performance- you're paying 3.5-4x the price minimum.
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« Reply #689 on: November 12, 2021, 11:00:42 AM »
we'll see how the Z06 engine does long term, but man, that thing is a beast!!!

perhaps they should drop it in a Cadillac?
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« Reply #690 on: November 12, 2021, 11:15:21 AM »
I assume it's far more than a straight line dragster. I'm sure it handles impeccably well.

Most drivers don't know how to corner, and you can't even approach its handling limit on public roads at legal speed, though, so 0-60 numbers sell cars better than skidpad speed or Nurburgring times.
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« Reply #691 on: November 12, 2021, 11:25:38 AM »
handling well on a track or at high speed on public roads is one thing

handling and riding well at average somewhat normal speeds when out for a drive to show off your sports car is something else

I asked my dealer about the Z51 PERFORMANCE PACKAGE on the C8 it's a $6,345 option.

Told him I wasn't going to the track and assume the car will perform well enough for me w/o the package.

the saleman said that it obviously "look" better and advised adding the package.  you know, the Z51-specific front splitter and rear spoiler

HAH!

I assume for daily driving I wouldn't even enjoy a stiffer suspension

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Z51 PERFORMANCE PACKAGE - $6,345
Required for track use
Z51 performance Brembo® brakes
Z51 performance suspension
Performance exhaust
Performance rear axle ratio
Electronic Limited Slip Differential (eLSD)
Z51-specific front splitter and rear spoiler
Michelin® Pilot® Sport 4S 245/35ZR19 front and 305/30ZR20 rear, high performance, run-flat, summer-only tires1
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Re: Sporty Cars
« Reply #692 on: November 12, 2021, 11:32:42 AM »
I doubt any supercar is "fun" to drive on the street, or comfortable.

I'd bet for most mere mortals, they're not even "fun" to drive on the track--I'll bet they're f$&%@g terrifying, to be honest. 
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« Reply #693 on: November 12, 2021, 11:40:17 AM »
Cincydawg seems to have fun on the track in a Cadillac

but, he's no mere mortal
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Re: Sporty Cars
« Reply #694 on: November 12, 2021, 11:45:03 AM »
Quote from: betarhoalphadelta on November 12, 2021, 11:15:21 AM
I assume it's far more than a straight line dragster. I'm sure it handles impeccably well.

Most drivers don't know how to corner, and you can't even approach its handling limit on public roads at legal speed, though, so 0-60 numbers sell cars better than skidpad speed or Nurburgring times.
This is very true lol

I just replaced my 2021 hellcat Durango, with the BMW X3M competition package which I posted up thread.

I definitely think it’s not the right car for most people as a daily driver but for me, I do intend to track it occasionally.  It has been constructed to drive right onto the track including the brakes, transmission and cooling.

https://www.caranddriver.com/bmw/x3-m

as you can see they do talk about pure speed quite a bit, but also mention skid pad performance, breaking and athleticism of this vehicle which is pure fun to drive just in canyon carving and curvy roads.

But, I acknowledge it’s not for everyone and I agree that a lot of people driving a vehicle like this have no use for what it actually is capable of.
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Re: Sporty Cars
« Reply #695 on: November 12, 2021, 11:48:50 AM »
sports cars are no different than luxury cars

no need for most folks to have all the bells, whistles, and other fancy luxury options

a simple Honda accord is plenty of vehicle for performance and luxury, but....... folks wanna show off
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Re: Sporty Cars
« Reply #696 on: November 12, 2021, 11:55:40 AM »
Quote from: FearlessF on November 12, 2021, 11:48:50 AM
sports cars are no different than luxury cars

no need for most folks to have all the bells, whistles, and other fancy luxury options

a simple Honda accord is plenty of vehicle for performance and luxury, but....... folks wanna show off
Ok. 😂😂.  

some “folks“ actually enjoy real performance driving on a track and on a Lonesome hilly Canyon Road.   Folks like me, who couldn’t care less what anyone else thinks.  But a Honda accord just isn’t going to cut it lol. I will admit I am the minority though.

I always find it funny when someone assumes they know how everyone else is and everyone else thinks, or at least how they should think.  
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Re: Sporty Cars
« Reply #697 on: November 12, 2021, 11:59:58 AM »
I think you and some folks could really notice the difference between your new ride and a Honda accord, but as you know in the hands of a professional driver.  The accord could be pretty close to the same times on a track and on a Lonesome hilly Canyon Road.
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Re: Sporty Cars
« Reply #698 on: November 12, 2021, 12:13:56 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on November 12, 2021, 11:59:58 AM
I think you and some folks could really notice the difference between your new ride and a Honda accord, but as you know in the hands of a professional driver.  The accord could be pretty close to the same times on a track and on a Lonesome hilly Canyon Road.
The 2022 Honda accord is nothing short of a brilliant car. Car and driver gave it a 10 out of 10 which is extremely rare. They noticed it’s perky acceleration, great balance between sporty handling and Comfort and I variety of other things.  If all I was doing was driving from point a to point B every single day I would consider this car as good as they get especially for the money. That’s nothing new, they have always made an incredibly good vehicle.

But if you took it on a road course you would only last a lap or two because the brakes would fade so quickly they would be not be functional. It is not built to handle curves of that nature at high speeds with a very skilled driver let alone a professional driver.  It pulled .86 on the skid pad which is respectable but really nothing to write home about. 

It ran the 0 to 60 in 7.1 seconds in the quarter mile in 15.7 seconds.  To put that in perspective, 1/10 of a second equals one car length in a quarter mile. 

So in a quarter mile behind accord would be 40 car links behind a car that can run an 11.7 seconds
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Re: Sporty Cars
« Reply #699 on: November 12, 2021, 12:40:52 PM »
That's all true. 

But I still personally believe that someone should be taking a Mazda MX-5, one set up for track use, on the track for a few years before they try to do it with one of these supercar-capability vehicles.

The biggest issue with supercars is that their capability is so extreme that a driver will never learn how to handle what happens on the ragged edge until they're going so fast that they'll bin the damn thing the first time they cross that line. 

A driver can turn in faster lap times with a Corvette at 85% than an MX-5 at 99.8%, but I'd say learning to drive that MX-5 at 99.8% is a hell of a lot more fun. And after doing that in an MX-5 for a couple years, they'll know how to drive that Corvette at 99%. 

A buddy of mine always said that it's a lot more fun to drive a slow car fast than to drive a fast car slow. 
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