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Re: Sporty Cars
« Reply #658 on: October 14, 2021, 05:52:34 PM »
The way hp was rated changed in 1972 to SAE net, which gave a lower value for same engine.
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Re: Sporty Cars
« Reply #659 on: October 14, 2021, 06:50:08 PM »
Quote from: betarhoalphadelta on October 14, 2021, 04:48:58 PM
The standard. I didn't go EcoBoost.

I only wanted the R/T in the Durango, but I actually was fine with the standard non-EcoBoost motor in the Flex. I realize that's a bit odd.

The rationale was that a Dodge Durango is a much more "mainstream" style of vehicle, so having the R/T would actually stand out a little bit more. On the Flex, it's already a distinctive vehicle by its nature, so I didn't really feel like it needed the EcoBoost AWD version. I'd also read of issues with the torque converter on the AWD EcoBoost Flex models that I didn't want to deal with.

Obviously I love having the acceleration and power on tap, but I was more willing to pay for it if I found the right vehicle in the Durango, but not willing to pay for it in the Flex.

BTW the standard motor is 265 hp, which sounds like a lot. But it's due to variable valve timing that only is invoked at RPM ranges I almost never touch. In a vehicle this big, the standard motor is a bit of a dog if you're not putting your foot to the floorboard.
That makes sense.  Every vehicle has its appeal- it doesn’t have to be HP.

drove my neighbors Flex- liked it.

had a 2014 Durango R/T. Loved it.  Then they came out with the SRT Durango, so I traded up for that.  A 2018.  Loved that even more. Then they came
out with the Hellcat Durango- for 21, so traded up for that.  Great vehicle, nice luxurious SUV until you put the hammer down.  Then….insanity lol.
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Re: Sporty Cars
« Reply #660 on: October 14, 2021, 07:09:41 PM »
daughter has the eco-boost Flex

not AWD but she likes it

I tried to explain the "boost" to her - don't think it was productive
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Re: Sporty Cars
« Reply #661 on: October 14, 2021, 07:27:46 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on October 14, 2021, 07:09:41 PM
daughter has the eco-boost Flex

not AWD but she likes it

I tried to explain the "boost" to her - don't think it was productive
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Re: Sporty Cars
« Reply #662 on: October 14, 2021, 07:54:32 PM »
Quote from: Honestbuckeye on October 14, 2021, 06:50:08 PM
That makes sense.  Every vehicle has its appeal- it doesn’t have to be HP.

drove my neighbors Flex- liked it.

had a 2014 Durango R/T. Loved it.  Then they came out with the SRT Durango, so I traded up for that.  A 2018.  Loved that even more. Then they came
out with the Hellcat Durango- for 21, so traded up for that.  Great vehicle, nice luxurious SUV until you put the hammer down.  Then….insanity lol.
I bought my Ranger in early 2003. Kept it until late 2012--wouldn't have even sold it then but, ya know, kids. Something just wasn't safe about putting a young child in the sideways fold-down rear seat, ya know. 

From there I got my Jeep in Aug 2012. The goal was to have a vehicle that would allow me to at least 2 kids safely if I needed to, but to have the responsible family vehicle (Honda Odyssey) otherwise. 

Then in 2016 I got divorced, and suddenly the family minivan left with my ex-wife. By early 2017, it was time for a bigger car, so I got the Flex and kept the Jeep. 

So I had my Ranger almost 10 years. I've now had the Jeep 9 years without any plans to sell. I've had the Flex 4 years and I'm hoping for another 6. 

I'm not the type to trade up after 3 years lol...
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Re: Sporty Cars
« Reply #663 on: October 14, 2021, 08:46:30 PM »
Quote from: betarhoalphadelta on October 14, 2021, 07:54:32 PM
I bought my Ranger in early 2003. Kept it until late 2012--wouldn't have even sold it then but, ya know, kids. Something just wasn't safe about putting a young child in the sideways fold-down rear seat, ya know.

From there I got my Jeep in Aug 2012. The goal was to have a vehicle that would allow me to at least 2 kids safely if I needed to, but to have the responsible family vehicle (Honda Odyssey) otherwise.

Then in 2016 I got divorced, and suddenly the family minivan left with my ex-wife. By early 2017, it was time for a bigger car, so I got the Flex and kept the Jeep.

So I had my Ranger almost 10 years. I've now had the Jeep 9 years without any plans to sell. I've had the Flex 4 years and I'm hoping for another 6.

I'm not the type to trade up after 3 years lol...
That’s because you have a brain, and unlike me you don’t have a weakness for cars. 

that’s my only one- but it is a big one.
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Re: Sporty Cars
« Reply #664 on: October 14, 2021, 09:04:29 PM »
Quote from: Honestbuckeye on October 14, 2021, 03:53:13 PM
Is that new problem the same as it was before they fix it or some thing different with the transmission?

I only ask because if it’s the PCM, which is basically the cars “brain” it seems highly unlikely that that’s the issue if the problem is the same.
It's not the same - intiially it was jerky driving to work.  This time it's just not shifting properly.  It usually does, but there's no reason for me to deal with that problem after they've already worked on it.
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Re: Sporty Cars
« Reply #665 on: October 14, 2021, 11:18:06 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on October 14, 2021, 05:52:34 PM
The way hp was rated changed in 1972 to SAE net, which gave a lower value for same engine.
That only explains a small portion of the drop from 500+ HP late-60's Vette's to ~200 HP mid-70's Vette's.  You can use 1/4 mi times instead of HP figures if you want but the gist is the same as I laid out.  
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Re: Sporty Cars
« Reply #666 on: October 15, 2021, 09:10:01 AM »
Coming in 2022:



Not to my garage, of course. $2.5 Million. Ouch.
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Re: Sporty Cars
« Reply #667 on: October 15, 2021, 09:20:17 AM »
no room for golf clubs in that thing
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Re: Sporty Cars
« Reply #668 on: October 21, 2021, 11:19:15 AM »
New Bronco’s not getting off to a good start. Their are several reports of this happening now. Ford design didn’t do their homework.


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Re: Sporty Cars
« Reply #669 on: October 21, 2021, 11:42:14 AM »
Quote from: medinabuckeye1 on October 14, 2021, 11:18:06 PM
That only explains a small portion of the drop from 500+ HP late-60's Vette's to ~200 HP mid-70's Vette's.  You can use 1/4 mi times instead of HP figures if you want but the gist is the same as I laid out. 
There certainly was a dramatic drop in real horsepower aside from the change to SAE Net.  But those earlier 500 hp figures would be more like 350 using SAE Net.  The older ratings would use an engine with no accessories.

I had a 73 Nova with SAE Net 185 hp, the year before the rating was 285 gross, but there was 10 hp subtracted for the AIR pump.  So, the rating change went from 275 to 185.
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Re: Sporty Cars
« Reply #670 on: October 21, 2021, 12:17:13 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on October 21, 2021, 11:19:15 AM
New Bronco’s not getting off to a good start. Their are several reports of this happening now. Ford design didn’t do their homework.


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That looks... unfortunate.
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Re: Sporty Cars
« Reply #671 on: October 21, 2021, 12:22:05 PM »
looks like a Ford  ;)
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