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It's as if you're not even reading my posts.  FFS

"We had precisely the wrong leader in power when this thing hit. "

When your child does something awful on purpose and his defense is that the other kids do it too, does that suffice and he's off the hook?

Get a mirror, man.

ALL the democratic leaders were lying and making blatantly false statements as well

not excusing Trump or any other leaders
not excusing the CDC and Fauci

just sayin the virus was going to run it's course and in the big picture, the leadership or lack thereof didn't matter as much as most folks believe 

I understand that gas was cheaper and inflation wasn't as high, but..

what changed at the border and with the military?

well, Trump would have loved the idea of transporting those folks to liberal cities such as DC, NYC, Chicago.
He might have thrown money at the idea
It certainly could have been done a few years ago
So, no change
I understand more than ever are crossing.  I thought this was happening because the rules from the Trump era could possibly change soon, but nothing has changed

Military recruiting has made a noticeable change in the overall strength of the military?
No, I hadn't heard that.
Lack of good employee recruiting is a problem for most industries and organizations
I hear more about teacher shortages and law enforcement.
But, schools aren't closing or putting students in study hall or recess 

I was not a fan of Obama or Clinton but I was never embarrassed to have them at the POTUS position

There is not a day when I truely dont feel embarrassed with Brandon in the WH

He is  the worst President weve ever had and probably the most corrupt as well 

If we have to elect a dem please let it be someone else

Learning (through the data) that kids didn't get COVID hardly at all was a very different fact that whether they could carry it and have it spread from home-to-school  or vice-versa.  That was a later data point. 

Some of you seem to think that what turned out to be a poor or ineffective decision was a sin, when in reality, it was perfectly prudent in the face of a novel virus.

This goes to the point of a specific way I felt the conversation never matured in the general public.  Almost everybody who formed an opinion and entrenched themselves in it, seemed like, were mostly only considering one thing in a vacuum.  And that's overly simplified for how we have to move forward as a society.  People who were concerned about a novel virus that we had little information on wanted to take measures to protect health and public safety...and that is a valid concern.  But in order to do what may have indeed been the wisest response with respect to the data we had at the time almost certainly has consequences in other areas.  Others quickly focused on the various responses and began their amateur careers as constitutional lawyers and concerned themselves with government action, overreach, and personal liberty....and that is also a valid concern.  A key principle of our society is we don't (supposedly) disregard freedoms just because something in life hit the fan (it always will, at some point).  But in order to protect what they thought was in danger--maybe rightfully so--those people tended to disregard the valid concern of the first group.  

That is a way oversimplified version of what happened and only presents two key concerns that sprang up.  And it doesn't even get into the overlap and ignorance of so many on certain things.  i.e., if you really care about people's health, you'd better keep the economy at a certain strength because on a slower scale and a bigger picture than most people deal with, nothing promotes a healthy society like a strong economy.  That's something I happen to know a little about....God knows what all I don't know about that made my opinions limited in understanding.  I read comments here and can tell people know about stuff I haven't even heard of.  

There was a push-and-pull of various ideologies, areas of concern, and there should have been, and there was no "right" answer, even though it's easy to look back in hindsight and point out things that now seem obviously wrong.