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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #15470 on: September 10, 2021, 04:24:43 PM »
"I know people..."
"There are studies..."
"People are saying..."

These are the phrases used by people failing at pretending to be valid.  
They're not valid.
Ignore them.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #15471 on: September 11, 2021, 07:36:50 AM »
Quote from: utee94 on September 10, 2021, 09:33:03 AM

Is that a done deal?  Is OSHA making it an emergency safety requirement for private entities?  And if so, what's the reach?

That would be a... big deal... IMO.


Without getting into the politics, I’m unconvinced of the enforceability of this. Mostly because I think it has to go through Congress.

That said, apparently from what I’ve read, there’s a fair amount of discretion that either private businesses have in compelling folks to get vaccinated to government has in telling places to tell businesses to tell people to get vaccinated. Maybe both. 
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #15472 on: September 12, 2021, 08:49:09 AM »
A company has no ability to determine whether an employee is vaccinated that I can imagine.  They can ask, and that's it.  These vaccine cards are easily duplicated, and I don't think an employee has to provide any information.  I don't see how this can work.  Has there been anything remotely similar with companies in the past?

I can't see how this can be enforced.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #15473 on: September 12, 2021, 08:51:28 AM »
France is headed down, the UK MAY have peaked again, Florida and Georgia appear to be headed down we all hope.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #15474 on: September 12, 2021, 08:54:06 AM »
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #15475 on: September 12, 2021, 08:57:37 AM »
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #15476 on: September 12, 2021, 10:34:46 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on September 12, 2021, 08:49:09 AM
A company has no ability to determine whether an employee is vaccinated that I can imagine.  They can ask, and that's it.  These vaccine cards are easily duplicated, and I don't think an employee has to provide any information.  I don't see how this can work.  Has there been anything remotely similar with companies in the past?

I can't see how this can be enforced.
I assume it would depend on the state, but companies have fairly wide latitude on that front. The ability is fairly simple: if you don't get vaccinated, you can't work for us. 

There are certain things you can't do that with (disability status, race, gender, etc.). But unvaccinated isn't one of them. And a lot of places require it becuase if you work either with the public or alongside people, it can become a thing. It's even fairly common to require a vaccine. Now, this vaccine is treated as special, but if it's categorized just as a vaccine, it really isn't.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #15477 on: September 12, 2021, 10:36:36 AM »
Read this from a sports writer. I know it's just one incident, not proving of anything, but still sad. I know we talk about taking our chances, and sometimes, that's what this is. 

https://time.com/6096505/covid-19-vaccine-hesitancy-family/
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #15478 on: September 12, 2021, 10:37:31 AM »
Quote from: betarhoalphadelta on September 10, 2021, 09:57:42 AM
My BIL believes everyone who is vaxxed will be dead within 3-5 years. Because "there are studies". He has not produced such studies.
If this is the case, I'm going to have to start dropping my standards on Tinder considerably. Might as well get more in before I go. 
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #15479 on: September 12, 2021, 11:20:19 AM »
Quote from: bayareabadger on September 12, 2021, 10:34:46 AM
I assume it would depend on the state, but companies have fairly wide latitude on that front. The ability is fairly simple: if you don't get vaccinated, you can't work for us.

There are certain things you can't do that with (disability status, race, gender, etc.). But unvaccinated isn't one of them. And a lot of places require it becuase if you work either with the public or alongside people, it can become a thing. It's even fairly common to require a vaccine. Now, this vaccine is treated as special, but if it's categorized just as a vaccine, it really isn't.
How would a company KNOW I was vaccinated?  That's my point.  

I don't believe they can access my health records without my permission, right?
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #15480 on: September 12, 2021, 12:15:48 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on September 12, 2021, 11:20:19 AM
How would a company KNOW I was vaccinated?  That's my point. 

I don't believe they can access my health records without my permission, right?
Companies require employees to take random drug tests so I would think they could require employees to take an antibody test

I have no problem with private companies requiring an employee be vaccinated

I do have a problem when the government requires it
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #15481 on: September 12, 2021, 12:28:56 PM »
There would be a range of antibody activity among those vaccinated, and of course a previously infected would have some level. 

I think companies will simply ask, and some employees will say "None of your business."

What then?  Fire the employee?
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #15482 on: September 12, 2021, 01:14:17 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on September 12, 2021, 12:28:56 PM
There would be a range of antibody activity among those vaccinated, and of course a previously infected would have some level.

I think companies will simply ask, and some employees will say "None of your business."

What then?  Fire the employee?

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #15483 on: September 12, 2021, 01:15:03 PM »
I've got a few employees who will absolutely not get the vaccine. Two of them have had the virus, and one is based on religion.

We are not over 100 people, so no worries. But, I'd hate to lose even one employee over this, particularly because they are all very good, and also due to the shortage in people to hire.
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