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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13706 on: May 11, 2021, 01:24:35 PM »
It's hard...

The very existence of breakthrough cases are used by the sort of people who don't want the vaccine in a sort of "see, it doesn't even mean I won't get COVID!" sort of mindset. 

But... We know [and have known] this about vaccines. Some people don't take well to them. They're not 100% and haven't been sold as being 100% effective. 

That is WHY we ask everyone to get them... Because if 95% of America gets the vaccine and they're 95% effective, that puts us WELL above the herd immunity threshold where R0 <<<< 1. 

It doesn't mean that COVID magically and immediately goes away, but it should mean that any local outbreaks will be small and not spread widely.

(Note: of course 94's point still holds... We need the rest of the world to do this too. Much like today we have incursions of things like measles from other nations that don't have our vaccine numbers--and those spread due to idiot anti-vaxxers here--we can't globally eradicate COVID unless the rest of the world has very high vaccination rates too. Otherwise we're probably still looking at annual boosters if the protection of the vaccine wanes too much over time.)

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13707 on: May 11, 2021, 01:41:25 PM »
The COVID vaccines are apparently (clinically) more effective than many "normal" vaccines that have almost eliminated various and sundry.  We rarely have polio today because most of us are vaccinated.  Small pox has been eradicated.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13708 on: May 11, 2021, 01:49:07 PM »
The MSM wants us to get vaccinated so bad that they tend to overlook these breakthrough cases

Ive seen very little mention of them

still they are well within acceptable limits so all appears well
This seems like one of the few areas where the MSM don't engage in doomsday panic porn.  I'm not sure why not, but I'm glad they've chosen this path, for this particular issue at least.


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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13709 on: May 11, 2021, 02:08:08 PM »
Its a state matter by law


Yes, but you knew what I meant (no, you didn't know what I meant).
The federal gov't under different leadership would have been prudent to release their data and strong suggestions.  You know, influence.  And the 50 different states looking around for answers would have had one.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13710 on: May 11, 2021, 02:42:27 PM »
I think the Feds COULD have presented a more unified and consistent front early on, but there was a lot of misinformation out there at the time that was pretty scary.


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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13711 on: May 11, 2021, 02:44:11 PM »
I think the Feds SHOULD have a more unified and consistent front now.  Regarding COVID and the Vaccines

but, they don't

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13712 on: May 11, 2021, 02:47:43 PM »
My daughter in France has complained several times about this very issue, in France.


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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13713 on: May 11, 2021, 02:51:10 PM »
The former regime influenced/pressured the CDC on its public messages.  I don't know why anything beyond that matters.  More people died than if a mannequin had been in office.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13714 on: May 11, 2021, 02:52:55 PM »
Most of the public message came from Birx and Fauci, as I recall.  There was somebody else who said things at times that were, a bit odd.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13715 on: May 11, 2021, 03:07:58 PM »
Yes, but you knew what I meant (no, you didn't know what I meant).
The federal gov't under different leadership would have been prudent to release their data and strong suggestions.  You know, influence.  And the 50 different states looking around for answers would have had one.
Im not sure which states youre talking about

I dont think Texas leaders were confused and looking around for answers

same for Florida and maybe most states

the only really confused states in my mind was NY and CA

its my memory that even when the Feds issued suggestions the states did pretty much what they wanted to do
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13716 on: May 11, 2021, 03:13:32 PM »
Y'all are getting political, and you know it.  I swear you're like a bunch of 5 year olds.


Stop it.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13717 on: May 11, 2021, 03:18:13 PM »
Y'all are getting political, and you know it.  I swear you're like a bunch of 5 year olds.


Stop it.
I dont think you realize just how much restraint I showed in my post utee

I should be given a medal
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13718 on: May 12, 2021, 11:50:28 AM »
that a good enuff percentage for me

about the same percentage that Nebraska used to win vs Oklahoma State and Kansas St. in the 60s, 70's, 80's and 90's
I still remember what a big deal it was to our resident KSU fans when KSU finally beat NU in '98.  40-30!  And I seem to recall that near the end of the game somebody tackled the NU QB (was it Eric Crouch?) and grabbed his helmet and twisted it so bad it looked like his head was coming off.  Where are those guys these days?  Skicat, WC4E, and a couple more whose names have escaped my fading memory.  

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13719 on: May 12, 2021, 12:04:57 PM »
those purple kitties are still around, I shoot them texts and emails a few times a year

both are busy enough with other things and not as excited about college football to stop by here and chat.  They both been invited more than a few times.


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