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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13678 on: May 10, 2021, 12:38:24 PM »
The Feds can propose guidelines, but it's up to the states to decide what to do.  It's our system, with a few exceptions.

It makes sense to me that what is needed for NYC might not be the ideal solution for up state NY, much less Idaho.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13679 on: May 10, 2021, 12:46:36 PM »
just as the World Health Organization can propose guidelines and suggestions for the entire world, but each country acts on their own.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13680 on: May 10, 2021, 03:45:02 PM »
Speaking of WHO--

A World Health Organization official said Monday it is reclassifying the highly contagious triple-mutant Covid variant spreading in India as a "variant of concern," indicating that it's become a global health threat.

Maria Van Kerkhove, the WHO's technical lead for Covid-19, said the agency will provide more details in its weekly situation report on the pandemic Tuesday but added that the variant, known as B.1.617, has been found in preliminary studies to spread more easily than the original virus and there is some evidence it may able to evade some of the protections provided by vaccines.

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2021/05/10/who-classifies-triple-mutant-covid-variant-from-india-as-global-health-risk-.html

« Last Edit: May 10, 2021, 06:50:21 PM by utee94 »
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13681 on: May 10, 2021, 06:57:11 PM »
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13682 on: May 10, 2021, 07:00:15 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on May 10, 2021, 03:45:02 PM
Speaking of WHO--

A World Health Organization official said Monday it is reclassifying the highly contagious triple-mutant Covid variant spreading in India as a "variant of concern," indicating that it's become a global health threat.

Maria Van Kerkhove, the WHO's technical lead for Covid-19, said the agency will provide more details in its weekly situation report on the pandemic Tuesday but added that the variant, known as B.1.617, has been found in preliminary studies to spread more easily than the original virus and there is some evidence it may able to evade some of the protections provided by vaccines.

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2021/05/10/who-classifies-triple-mutant-covid-variant-from-india-as-global-health-risk-.html

The shots, however, are still considered effective.
Just wanted to add a sentence you left off
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13683 on: May 10, 2021, 07:24:50 PM »
Quote from: longhorn320 on May 10, 2021, 07:00:15 PM
Just wanted to add a sentence you left off

Sure.  80% effective can still be called effective.

20% effective can also still be called effective.

You seem to take this all personally, that's sort of odd.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13684 on: May 10, 2021, 07:26:18 PM »
Quote from: longhorn320 on May 10, 2021, 06:57:11 PM
Pfizer approved for kids

https://www.foxnews.com/health/fda-covid-pfizer-vaccine-green-light-kids-12-15
Anyway, glad to see Pfizer's approved for the kiddos.

I'll likely hold out until J&J gets approved, so my kids only have to go through it once.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13685 on: May 10, 2021, 07:29:12 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on May 10, 2021, 07:24:50 PM
Sure.  80% effective can still be called effective.

20% effective can also still be called effective.

You seem to take this all personally, that's sort of odd.
the fact is we just dont know yet but when reporting such adverse news about the "new strain" in India I just think we should report that fact also

simple

I never take anything on this forum personally

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13686 on: May 10, 2021, 07:48:04 PM »
Quote from: longhorn320 on May 10, 2021, 07:29:12 PM
the fact is we just dont know yet but when reporting such adverse news about the "new strain" in India I just think we should report that fact also

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I never take anything on this forum personally

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Well then to be completely clear, they don't really know that the current vaccine choices actually ARE "effective."  They're "considered effective" but there's not any peer-reviewed study to back that up.

So I'm gonna go ahead and stick with what I posted.  It's not incorrect, it's not even misleading, and it's important.  I'm not somehow invested personally in bringing bad news or something weird like that, I sincerely want the virus to stop harming people and let the world get back to normal.

I'm trained as a scientist and an engineer and I approach these things in a complete unbiased and rational way.  I've been surprised and pleased that we've been able to bring vaccines to bear against this virus so quickly and at such large scale, I didn't believe that was possible and I'm delighted to be wrong about that.

But ignoring all of the potential issues with mutated global variants isn't going to help the world, in fact it can only hurt.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13687 on: May 10, 2021, 08:05:16 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on May 10, 2021, 07:48:04 PM
Well then to be completely clear, they don't really know that the current vaccine choices actually ARE "effective."  They're "considered effective" but there's not any peer-reviewed study to back that up.

So I'm gonna go ahead and stick with what I posted.  It's not incorrect, it's not even misleading, and it's important.  I'm not somehow invested personally in bringing bad news or something weird like that, I sincerely want the virus to stop harming people and let the world get back to normal.

I'm trained as a scientist and an engineer and I approach these things in a complete unbiased and rational way.  I've been surprised and pleased that we've been able to bring vaccines to bear against this virus so quickly and at such large scale, I didn't believe that was possible and I'm delighted to be wrong about that.

But ignoring all of the potential issues with mutated global variants isn't going to help the world, in fact it can only hurt.


Just got your six

I dont want anybody thinking you posted an article out of context

I think its important to post the sentence I pointed out which you failed to post

If the vaccines dont work against a new strain then we need to know it if we dont know yet we need to know that too
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13688 on: May 10, 2021, 08:08:44 PM »
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13689 on: May 10, 2021, 10:56:58 PM »
I'll be sending my 12yr old to the Pfizer line.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13690 on: May 10, 2021, 11:30:57 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on May 10, 2021, 07:48:04 PM
Well then to be completely clear, they don't really know that the current vaccine choices actually ARE "effective."  They're "considered effective" but there's not any peer-reviewed study to back that up.




The peer-reviewed stage of approval is one of several time-consuming steps the FDA skipped in order to rush out a vaccine shot. Obviously a calculated risk taken for the sake of time.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13691 on: May 10, 2021, 11:49:32 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on May 10, 2021, 07:48:04 PM
Well then to be completely clear, they don't really know that the current vaccine choices actually ARE "effective."  They're "considered effective" but there's not any peer-reviewed study to back that up.




this is news to me

I knew they skipped the normal peer review to rush these vaccines out the door but it is my understanding that both vaccines have been peer reviewed since their release with very good results

am I wrong

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2021/01/peer-reviewed-data-show-high-protection-leading-covid-vaccines

https://www.aha.org/news/headline/2020-12-10-nejm-releases-impressive-peer-reviewed-data-pfizer-covid-19-vaccine
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