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Topic: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #8260 on: August 26, 2020, 01:02:51 PM »
We are spending a good deal of time and materials spraying down the hard surfaces in our classrooms several times a day.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #8261 on: August 26, 2020, 01:06:11 PM »
I'm seeing more evidence that there is not widespread "immunity" to COVID-19, but that there is a large group of people who have better immune system responses due to exposure to other types of coronaviruses (i.e. common cold, etc). 

One was a guy in Hong Kong (I think) which is the first confirmed reinfection. By DNA sequencing they see that he was infected with a strain that had a very slight DNA difference to his first infection. His first infection was symptomatic; his second was not. 

With that and some other reports there is a suggestion that if you have T cells and B cells that have experience with other coronavirus types that have a similar structure, that it makes your body much more able to quickly recognize and fight the infection before it spreads to the extent it would in someone who does not have that T cell or B cell "memory". And thus it can better explain the extremely wide variation in outcomes, from people who are completely asymptomatic to people who become gravely ill.

I haven't seen this final part anywhere, but this could also explain part of why it doesn't seem to hit kids hard. As we all know, kids are walking petri dishes of germs,, so perhaps the fact that their immune systems are so exposed to and used to fighting off common colds contributes to them having better outcomes from this virus?

I can say from personal history, I used to NEVER get sick. Then my eldest son went to preschool, and for 6 months I got EVERYTHING. And then I stopped getting sick. My wife works in a Dr's office, and when she first started, she was sick constantly. After a few months, that went away. But then when she met my kids and eventually moved in, she got EVERYTHING they had as well for a few months, and then it went away and now she's fine. 

I'm sure it's not that suddenly my kids became more hygienic... I think it's that our immune systems have seen so many germs that they make a quicker attack on new germs coming at us so we're still "getting" infected but it remains asymptomatic based on immune system response. If something similar happens here, perhaps that's helping to blunt the impact of this thing.   

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #8262 on: August 26, 2020, 01:08:23 PM »
And just to be clear, my above post is pure speculation on my part. I don't want to suggest that I've got enough evidence behind me to believe this is how it works, but I'm seeing inklings here and there that could be consistent with this. 

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #8263 on: August 26, 2020, 01:10:56 PM »
Your speculation makes some sense, I think, even if it's perhaps not entirely true.

"We" used to drink water from the creek with all sorts of crypto and bilharzia and whatever else in it, and not get sick.

Now we go to Mexico or France and get the runs.

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« Reply #8264 on: August 26, 2020, 02:12:40 PM »
It's really fun learning that the amount of virus infected, asymptomatic kids carry is far more than symptomatic adults carry.  Can't wait do deal with that.  

Maybe I should exercise real quick.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #8265 on: August 26, 2020, 02:18:18 PM »
I believe a while back someone said that by the time of the election, the ww death count was unlikely to reach 1M.


  • We're at 826K now. 
  • There are about 69 days until the election on Nov 3.
  • Current daily death rate has been stably above 5K for over a month. 
  • At 5K daily, that's an additional 345K deaths, which would bring us 1.17M total.
  • To remain below 1M, we'd need to bring the worldwide daily count to below a ww average of about 2.5K/day. 

So I'm thinking that there's basically zero chance of that...


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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #8266 on: August 26, 2020, 02:23:25 PM »
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

I think if infection rates dropped to zero today, we might get pretty close to a million deaths.  As you note, they count 5 K per day, and probably 30 days is already baked in.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #8268 on: August 26, 2020, 06:48:26 PM »
We had 19 deaths in Oklahoma yesterday.  That's our highest number.

Our governor refuses to issue a mask mandate.

The Tulsa mayor issued a mask mandate about a month ago, and cases and deaths in Tulsa have been trending downward.  He is being sued by an anti-masker group.  (He was just re-elected without a runoff yesterday.)  In the suburb of Broken Arrow, there has been no such mandate.  Coincidentally, it has become a hot spot for new cases.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #8269 on: August 26, 2020, 08:43:21 PM »
We are spending a good deal of time and materials spraying down the hard surfaces in our classrooms several times a day.
I was doing that at the office gym to the point where I just started working out with a few weights at home. I was just annoyed to spend the extra 25-30 minutes for maybe an hour workout. 

So I send you a great deal of sympathy. Godspeed. 

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #8270 on: August 26, 2020, 09:28:17 PM »
Thanks, BAB.

Any thoughts on whether alcohol or a detergent-based "disinfectant" is better.  We've got both.  I tend to use the alcohol, but it doesn't react well with the varnish on my wooden classroom door.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #8271 on: August 26, 2020, 09:31:41 PM »
Both should work, I think.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #8272 on: August 26, 2020, 09:37:17 PM »
Thanks!  That's good to know.

We've also got disinfecting hand wipes coming out the center of the lid of a 2-gallon plastic bucket in each room.

We got the things as kits.  Fill the bucket half full of water, add two packets of clear-blue "stuff" to it, put the huge roll of wipes down in the bucket, pull the inside wipe up through the hole in the lid, then add the lid.

Probably a lot cheaper per wipe than the regular kind you buy in a grocery store.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #8273 on: August 26, 2020, 10:12:10 PM »
Thanks!  That's good to know.

We've also got disinfecting hand wipes coming out the center of the lid of a 2-gallon plastic bucket in each room.

We got the things as kits.  Fill the bucket half full of water, add two packets of clear-blue "stuff" to it, put the huge roll of wipes down in the bucket, pull the inside wipe up through the hole in the lid, then add the lid.

Probably a lot cheaper per wipe than the regular kind you buy in a grocery store.
so has school opened or will there only be online classes
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