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betarhoalphadelta · « **Reply #5740 on:** June 23, 2020, 03:15:31 PM »

Quote from: FearlessF on June 23, 2020, 02:58:58 PM

less than a half of a percent?

so, if you're not living in a care facility. Chances are, you're pretty safe

We have a confirmed COVID-19 case rate in this country of 2.4M cases in 330M inhabitants, or pretty close to a 0.66% confirmed infection rate.

65+ comprises 20.3% of all COVID-19 cases, so there have been about 487,000 seniors infected.

Amongst seniors, that means about 1% of seniors have been infected and 0.2% of seniors have died... 20%.

Yeah... "Pretty safe" isn't what I take away from that.

Nor do I want to see what happens if the other 49.5M seniors are infected.

FearlessF · « **Reply #5741 on:** June 23, 2020, 03:50:52 PM »

I certainly don't want the other 50 million seniors infected.

I think it's terribly negligent that so many nursing homes were infected.

the seniors should absolutely be protected as much as possible. I know folks are not being safe enough regarding seniors.

My friend lives with and cares for his 94 year old father. He's not nearly safe enough. I tell him this weekly. He's at the golf course with me 3 to 4 times a week. He sits in the bar next to me on Saturday mornings. He goes to the grocery store for food and medicine. He has two brothers that live within 1 miles. They should be bringing food and medicine to the door.

they don't seem to care, but his Father has been saying for 3 or 4 years, that he doesn't want to live any longer.

OrangeAfroMan · « **Reply #5742 on:** June 23, 2020, 04:12:07 PM »

Quote from: Cincydawg on June 23, 2020, 01:39:59 PM

It seems ironic to excoriate people for apathy for the elderly and then excoriate the masses.

You're equating letting a population of people die with labeling a majority of people as stupid? The masses are stupid, humanity has known that for thousands of years. Whether you call them the mob, the masses, or voters, they lack the wherewithal to self-govern. I guess that's what makes our police so essential, huh? And leaders - a national leader, a state leader, a city leader, etc.

If the masses didn't need protecting from themselves, the world would be a very different place.

OrangeAfroMan · « **Reply #5743 on:** June 23, 2020, 04:19:55 PM »

So you guys go from saying Cuomo is horrible for allowing all these nursing home deaths and mentioning how bad it is for them, but then turn around and emphasize how few of the elderly are actually dying from this thing.

That's called having it both ways, and it's not for respectable reasons.

I'm just really frustrated at the selfish dolts not wearing masks. I say that, and then I see a bunch of people driving around in their cars wearing masks........but it's wrong of me to say the masses are dumb. Give me a break.

847badgerfan · « **Reply #5744 on:** June 23, 2020, 04:30:32 PM »

Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on June 23, 2020, 04:19:55 PM

So you guys go from saying Cuomo is horrible for allowing all these nursing home deaths and mentioning how bad it is for them, but then turn around and emphasize how few of the elderly are actually dying from this thing.

That's called having it both ways, and it's not for respectable reasons.

I'm just really frustrated at the selfish dolts not wearing masks. I say that, and then I see a bunch of people driving around in their cars wearing masks........but it's wrong of me to say the masses are dumb. Give me a break.

I'm the only one to bring it up. Nobody else here did, which is something they have in common with his assclown brother.

Big Beef Tacosupreme · « **Reply #5745 on:** June 23, 2020, 04:33:39 PM »

I think there's a problem with calling nursing homes negligent. People are in and out of those things constantly. Cooks, nurses, doctors, therapists, janitorial staff, etc etc etc.

It's simply impossible to be 100% protective.

847badgerfan · « **Reply #5746 on:** June 23, 2020, 04:41:32 PM »

Quote from: Big Beef Tacosupreme on June 23, 2020, 04:33:39 PM

I think there's a problem with calling nursing homes negligent. People are in and out of those things constantly. Cooks, nurses, doctors, therapists, janitorial staff, etc etc etc.

It's simply impossible to be 100% protective.

Most of the nursing home I've experienced are really bad. REALLY bad. Dirty, stinky, infection-laden places. And that was before this.

If you want a good one, keep working hard because you're gonna need a lot of coin.

FearlessF · « **Reply #5747 on:** June 23, 2020, 04:44:06 PM »

my buddy is the maintenance man for 3 assisted living places here. His wife is the hairdresser for the 3 facilities.

I agree that it's impossible to be 100% safe, but they have very strict procedures in place. No infections to this date.

could it happen tomorrow? sure, but they seem to be trying much harder than some places around the country. Maybe they are simply lucky.

when the mayor or the governor or someone in charge, orders a facility to take infected patients in, that's negligent.

FearlessF · « **Reply #5748 on:** June 23, 2020, 04:50:18 PM »

Quote from: Big Beef Tacosupreme on June 23, 2020, 04:33:39 PM

I think there's a problem with calling nursing homes negligent. People are in and out of those things constantly. Cooks, nurses, doctors, therapists, janitorial staff, etc etc etc.

It's simply impossible to be 100% protective.

only the staff are allowed inside, no doctors, no outside nurses, no therapists, no hairdressers, no cleaning service

very hard for a resident to go out for even a hospital visit to get back in w/o a quarantine period

all staff coming in each shift are screened for fever. Very limited staff. Nurses are doing janitorial duties.
if a staff member goes to an event with more than immediate family, they are quarantined for 10 days, before allowed back inside. No pay.

847badgerfan · « **Reply #5749 on:** June 23, 2020, 05:05:04 PM »

There is no amount you could pay me to work in a nursing home. And the problems are mostly on the owners, because they do whatever they can to keep their costs to a bare minimum, including putting people at risk - both the inhabitants and the staff. It's terrible, and needs to be fixed.

At a minimum, they should be required to have daily sanitizing by a specialty company like ServePro or some such. They should be required to have a resident Nurse Practitioner with an MD on call. They should be required to have resident dental hygienists. They should be required to have resident OT and PT. Dieticians. Yes, it costs more, but in the long run it could cost less.

FearlessF · « **Reply #5750 on:** June 23, 2020, 05:09:22 PM »

Long Term Care Facilities in Iowa

Current Outbreaks (30)

Individuals Positive (891)

Total Recovered (550)

total Deaths (356)

FearlessF · « **Reply #5751 on:** June 23, 2020, 05:18:48 PM »

compared to overall in Iowa

Individuals Positive (26372)
Total Recovered (16615)
total Deaths (688)

betarhoalphadelta · « **Reply #5752 on:** June 23, 2020, 05:35:06 PM »

Quote from: FearlessF on June 23, 2020, 03:50:52 PM

the seniors should absolutely be protected as much as possible. I know folks are not being safe enough regarding seniors.

I think folks are not being safe enough in general.

Everyone is all excited that things are re-opening, and want to forget that "opening" doesn't mean "normal."

We can't stay closed forever, but as I am trying to point out, there are tens of millions of seniors, and hundreds of millions of Americans, who haven't been infected with this virus and if we're not careful, hundreds of thousands more will die. That's not meant to be hyperbole.

We're at most 5-7% infection rates in this country, assuming high numbers of asymptomatic folks. We need to get to ~70% or more for herd immunity. That's a lot of people.

But people are behaving as if this thing has gone away.

MrNubbz · « **Reply #5753 on:** June 23, 2020, 05:40:18 PM »

Quote from: FearlessF on June 23, 2020, 04:44:06 PM

my buddy is the maintenance man for 3 assisted living places here. His wife is the hairdresser for the 3 facilities.

I agree that it's impossible to be 100% safe, but they have very strict procedures in place. No infections to this date.

An old friend runs kitchen/dining room at a retirement/nursing/PT Rehab Center - they are covid free but had a few non fatal cases.The PT Center is a an old remodeled hospital.Lots of patients in there

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