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Topic: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #5670 on: June 22, 2020, 12:35:31 PM »
yep. and the vaccine isn't coming any time soon.
If ever.

No policy decision we make, can be based on the idea that we'll ever have an effective vaccine.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #5671 on: June 22, 2020, 12:37:41 PM »
Jesus F-ing Christ.
What world do you live in? Seriously. You strike me as someone who has never had to run a business or earn a living.

Do you realize that companies all over this country, large and small are shuttering their doors and laying off millions of people? The federal government did absolutely nothing to help ordinary people, and they did next to nothing to help small business. And in a lot of states- unemployment isn't so easy to file for or collect the checks. I know someone in Florida whose been on unemployment for 3 months and has only collected 2 of the checks.

Most banks allowed people to forego paying their mortgages for 3 months- but as soon as those 3 months were up these people who haven't been working were suddenly somehow suppose to pay their mortgage bill for those 3 months. And every municipality in the country put in stops on eviction orders- refused to even process them through the courts- but those have recently expired. You are about to see a mass apocalypse of evictions and foreclosures that will make the 2008-2009 financial crisis look like a walk in the park.

The economy was tanked and the government did next to nothing to put stop gaps in place to avoid the collapse. Another shutdown ABSOLUTELY is out of the question and cannot happen. It will destroy this country.

THIS THING IS NOT THAT F$%KING BAD. Stop being a god damn pussy. Are you 65+? Because if you're not your chance of dying from this thing is basically ZERO. It's so god damn miniscule it's not even worth worrying about it.

Look at the stats- 80% of the deaths are people 65 and up. With a whopping 31+% of that 80% being people EIGHTY FIVE and up. 44% of all deaths were in nursing homes. Average age of a nursing home patient is 80 years old. These are the most socially distanced, isolated people on earth. And they still died from this thing. That should tell you they were going to die from just about anything they caught- even the flu.


This disease is killing the old, the unhealthy, and the immunodeficient.

An economic depression that rivals the great depression hurts as all and destroys an entire generation of young people. All to save the old and unhealthy? Yeah, no thanks to that. Take care of your fat ass and lose weight, and sorry but not everyone gets to live forever. If you're 85 and up there- your quality of life sucks anyway-and that was 31+% of all deaths.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #5672 on: June 22, 2020, 12:38:14 PM »
Some data I'd love to see, if reliable, is a truly rep sample testing of individuals for active virus, and also for antibodies.  I don't think we have reliable numbers for how many are currently infected/infectious, nor how many have been.

People who get tested often are feeling symptomatic.  That isn't a rep sample.  

I'd also like to know more about how long immunity can last and whether the virus is becoming less dangerous over time.

All that said, if you had given me the situation TODAY back in mid-March versus any possibility, I'd take what we have today.  Italy was looking scary.  Now it appears our hospitals can keep up.  

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #5673 on: June 22, 2020, 12:42:24 PM »
Not that it was ever a possibility...


I'm tired of half the country flogging the scientific community with a buggy whip and then throwing their hands up once a miracle doesn't happen.  Ignorant idiots.
The ignorant idiots are those who think the "scientific community" is well, all that scientific. It's extremely political, it's extremely corrupted, and it's all tied to the universities- and Peter Thiel was dead on the money when he said the US university system is like the catholic church 500 years ago. It's probably more corrupt actually.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #5674 on: June 22, 2020, 12:44:23 PM »
I don't know that it matters, because they can still spread it around to those who might be at more risk.

This is going to remain true for the foreseeable future, several years at least, and possibly forever if the virus never mutates down to something less harmful.  So the people at the highest risk are going to have to take measures to protect themselves.   Forever.

Unless they choose to assume the risk and live their lives.  Which IS their choice to make.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #5675 on: June 22, 2020, 12:46:08 PM »
This is going to remain true for the foreseeable future, several years at least, and possibly forever if the virus never mutates down to something less harmful.  So the people at the highest risk are going to have to take measures to protect themselves.  Forever.

Unless they choose to assume the risk and live their lives.  Which IS their choice to make.
Exactly.

Why is that so hard to understand?

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #5676 on: June 22, 2020, 12:52:49 PM »
What world do you live in? Seriously. You strike me as someone who has never had to run a business or earn a living.

Do you realize that companies all over this country, large and small are shuttering their doors and laying off millions of people? The federal government did absolutely nothing to help ordinary people, and they did next to nothing to help small business. And in a lot of states- unemployment isn't so easy to file for or collect the checks. I know someone in Florida whose been on unemployment for 3 months and has only collected 2 of the checks.
I was a beneficiary of the PPP program, but the people it actually truly helped were my employees. We most certainly would have had to make cuts without that PPP money. 27 people kept their jobs, and their paychecks. And here in Illinois they'd still be waiting to be "processed" by the inept State government.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #5677 on: June 22, 2020, 12:55:11 PM »
Not that it was ever a possibility...


I'm tired of half the country flogging the scientific community with a buggy whip and then throwing their hands up once a miracle doesn't happen.  Ignorant idiots.
We are on track to have a vaccine as early as October

Now that might not happen but what facts do you have to back up such pessimism

Its ok to have an opinion but again what do you actually know about the likelihood of developing a vaccine


https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/science/coronavirus-vaccine-tracker.html
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #5678 on: June 22, 2020, 01:05:52 PM »
I was a beneficiary of the PPP program, but the people it actually truly helped were my employees. We most certainly would have had to make cuts without that PPP money. 27 people kept their jobs, and their paychecks. And here in Illinois they'd still be waiting to be "processed" by the inept State government.
This is pretty much the only thing they did to help small business, and some sba EIDL loans. But they did not to enough in my opinion. New business is the engine of growth, and almost all new businesses are....small businesses. Big business and the very rich, as usual got saved. Small business got thrown a bone, and the ordinary everyday working folk got boned pretty hard.

The greatest transfer of wealth in US history was just pulled off, and if there is another shutdown I don't think this country will ever recover. An entire generation of young people will be screwed over, and America is already a country that it's eats young at the expense of the old. Would hate to see it basically kill it's young with another shutdown.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #5679 on: June 22, 2020, 01:15:45 PM »
The PPP was of no help to me, personally. I and another partner had to take a pretty big pay cut, as the program only allows a person to be paid so much, no matter their position.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #5680 on: June 22, 2020, 01:30:04 PM »
In other news, I just walked down to CVS and got the first dose of shingles vaccine, get the second in 2-6 months.  I feel fine so far.
Insurance won't cover me for that, because I'm not yet 50. 

Yet I got shingles basically for my 40th birthday (almost 2 yrs ago now) so I'd really like to get the vaccine to prevent re-occurrence. 

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« Reply #5681 on: June 22, 2020, 01:35:15 PM »
Insurance won't cover me for that, because I'm not yet 50.

Yet I got shingles basically for my 40th birthday (almost 2 yrs ago now) so I'd really like to get the vaccine to prevent re-occurrence.
You can appeal to the insurance company. It would help to have a letter from an MD when doing so. Do you know the total tally on what was spent (by you and insurance) to get you through it?
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #5682 on: June 22, 2020, 01:57:14 PM »
You can appeal to the insurance company. It would help to have a letter from an MD when doing so. Do you know the total tally on what was spent (by you and insurance) to get you through it?
Not much, thankfully it was a *very* mild case. Some antibiotics and antifungals taken in concert and it went away. 

I've just heard enough horror stories that I don't want to face a severe case if I can avoid it. 

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #5683 on: June 22, 2020, 02:00:31 PM »
I'd appeal, based on your history. Blue Cross?
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