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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4914 on: June 06, 2020, 05:04:13 PM »
Lol. That’s probably true. Obama had more in common Reagan than FDR. He was basically a republican, even his healthcare plan was taken from a republican.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4915 on: June 06, 2020, 05:15:50 PM »
How about the Phone Plan?
You mean a modernized version of Reagan’s Universal Service Fund? Lol. Another idea borrowed from a republican. That programs budget might’ve been a few billions which was PEANUTS compared too....

Obama’s ever increasing wars & military budgets, or what about his corporate/bank bail outs in 2008-2009, or the parting gift of bailing out private equity landlords in his final days of office. 

Democrats/Republicans are virtually the same thing. And Obama was basically a Reagan republican. 

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4916 on: June 06, 2020, 06:44:08 PM »
Oh really it's out of the realm because you think so.You are known internationally in this field?.Jonah Salk,Pasture,Curie,were unkown once.These are the same so called people that were filmed  welding doors shut on their own citizens.If they had the means there is no doubt in my mind they'd find the way.I'm talking the CCP not the people
Oh, no, this guy's conjecture totally changed my mind.  All he had to overcome was a mound of scientific evidence compiled an analyzed by experts. Obviously his conviction was real.  The way he said, "most likely" was with SUCH FORCE.

Really, I don't understand why anyone wouldn't be swayed by him.  Oh, and the retired MI6 guy.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4917 on: June 06, 2020, 07:49:37 PM »
There is zero evidence that this thing was bio-engineered in a lab.

There is however some eye opening circumstantial evidence that this thing occurs in nature and a bat that they were conducting experiments on might've contaminated a lab and it escaped a lab by accident.

There is a huge difference between the two, and I see it keep getting conflated.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4918 on: June 06, 2020, 08:43:03 PM »
Oh, no, this guy's conjecture totally changed my mind.  All he had to overcome was a mound of scientific evidence compiled an analyzed by experts. Obviously his conviction was real.  The way he said, "most likely" was with SUCH FORCE.

Really, I don't understand why anyone wouldn't be swayed by him.  Oh, and the retired MI6 guy.
Dr Shemesh, who has a PhD in Genetics and Molecular Biology from the Hebrew University in Jerusalem, and over 21 years of experience in the field of drug discovery and development, said it is even “more unlikely” that this insertion happened in exactly the right place of the cleavage site of the spike protein - which is where it would need to occur to make the virus more infectious.

Flinders University Professor Nikolai Petrovsky says COVID-19 is “exquisitely adapted to infect humans”.
“We really don’t know where this virus came from - that’s the truth. The two possibilities is that it was a chance transmission of a virus...the other possibility is that it was an accidental release of the virus from a laboratory,” he said.

“One of the possibilities is that an animal host was infected by two coronaviruses at the same time and COVID-19. The same process can happen in a petri-dish.

So your conjecture is so much more dialed in than theirs,Gotcha.Well start your own blog with you medical research background and I'll log in every morning for the latest on the fore front to fighting  Covid.What if it came out it was manufactured again these people welded their own citizens doors shut.A lot of shade being thrown from the CCP.They haven't changed a damn thing from Chairman Mao until now

They are right about this
 Even the possibility that a non-genetically-engineered precursor could have adapted to humans while being studied in a laboratory should be considered, regardless of how likely or unlikely.”

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4919 on: June 07, 2020, 12:37:19 AM »
Lol. That’s probably true. Obama had more in common Reagan than FDR. He was basically a republican, even his healthcare plan was taken from a republican.
Wow, dude.  Far out.
As a Reagan fan since 1968, I have to say that Barack Obama resembled Ronald Reagan in only one area--the ability to deliver a speech well.
Reagan was an opponent of "socialized medicine" from at least as early as the early 1960s.  He never endorsed anything remotely resembling ObamaCare.
Obama may have ended up a disappointment from a liberal perspective because he used all his political capital to get ObamaCare rammed through without a single Republican vote.  But that cost him the House in the 2010 mid-terms, and he could only impose big-government solutions after that through executive orders and threats to veto budgets.
So, as I said, he might have disappointed liberals, but it wasn't because he didn't try to be a bigger taxer-and-spender.  He did the best he could to deliver on his very liberal 2008 campaign rhetoric, but the GOP House blocked him after his first two years.

I was disappointed in him because he wasn't able to celebrate, or help black Americans celebrate, the fact that America had elected a black man as POTUS.  And not just any black man, but little-known one without any major accomplishments but with a sketchy past.  He had an opportunity to really do something there, and he never really tried.

Maybe it was more than he could do to say something good about our country.  Another difference from Ronald Reagan, who celebrated America at every opportunity.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4920 on: June 07, 2020, 02:33:47 AM »
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Wow, dude.  Far out.
As a Reagan fan since 1968, I have to say that Barack Obama resembled Ronald Reagan in only one area--the ability to deliver a speech well.
Reagan was an opponent of "socialized medicine" from at least as early as the early 1960s.  He never endorsed anything remotely resembling ObamaCare.
Obama may have ended up a disappointment from a liberal perspective because he used all his political capital to get ObamaCare rammed through without a single Republican vote.  But that cost him the House in the 2010 mid-terms, and he could only impose big-government solutions after that through executive orders and threats to veto budgets.
So, as I said, he might have disappointed liberals, but it wasn't because he didn't try to be a bigger taxer-and-spender.  He did the best he could to deliver on his very liberal 2008 campaign rhetoric, but the GOP House blocked him after his first two years.

I was disappointed in him because he wasn't able to celebrate, or help black Americans celebrate, the fact that America had elected a black man as POTUS.  And not just any black man, but little-known one without any major accomplishments but with a sketchy past.  He had an opportunity to really do something there, and he never really tried.

Maybe it was more than he could do to say something good about our country.  Another difference from Ronald Reagan, who celebrated America at every opportunity.

Obama says himself that he's most like Reagan than any previous President. His corporatism, foreign policy positions, pro stance on "trade" deals (really just investor rights agreements), tax cuts for the wealthy (he made W's tax cuts permanent), deficit spending and military budget increases - all falls right in lock-step with Reagan.

Obama was hardly a liberal. Anyone trying to argue that is just parroting the slick BS persona Obama put out to the public and is spewing rhetoric and not looking at the guys actual record- which was horrible.

We don't have socialized medicine. That's not what ObamaCare is. Not even close. And again- it's a nationwide adoption of a REPUBLICAN state plan. And again, it's not socialized medicine- it's a far cry from that. It was a pathetic half-measure that didn't do anything to address any of the real problems with the US healthcare system.

I don't think ObamaCare cost the Dems the House in 2010. I think the cratering economic depression caused them to lose the House. People tend to vote with their wallets. If they don't see their economic situation getting any better under one party they go for the other party.

I'm more disappointed in the guy because his record was horrendous. Not because he didn't celebrate enough.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4921 on: June 07, 2020, 03:07:25 AM »
It's incredible.
If Obama specifically helped black people, he'd be attacked for it.
He doesn't specifically help black people....attacked for it.

Easy conclusion.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4922 on: June 07, 2020, 03:19:24 AM »
AZ cases have skyrocketed, and it's from the state opening back up.  It'll increase further from Memorial Day and again, due to the protests. 
Banner health, the state's leading health care system, has reached capacity on ventilators.  It's going to get much worse in the coming weeks. 
Obviously.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4923 on: June 07, 2020, 07:55:36 AM »
****** says himself that he's most like ****** than any previous President. 
A very good liar, who cut his political teeth in Chicago.

That's all I'll say on the matter. Probably all I need to say.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4924 on: June 07, 2020, 08:04:19 AM »
https://www.ajc.com/news/coronavirus-georgia-covid-dashboard/jvoLBozRtBSVSNQDDAuZxH/

Georgia was the first state to reopen (of those that shut down), April 23.  New cases have not shy rocketed.  They are trending up a bit over the past three days.

I don't think reopening is the simple explanation as to why cases are sky rocketing in other places.  This might not be some simple single variable relationship.

Of course, I tend to be circumspect in my opinions and not absolute about things.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4925 on: June 07, 2020, 08:25:29 AM »
AZ cases have skyrocketed, and it's from the state opening back up.  It'll increase further from Memorial Day and again, due to the protests. 
Banner health, the state's leading health care system, has reached capacity on ventilators.  It's going to get much worse in the coming weeks. 
Obviously.
I just looked at the data, and the number of cases has spiked. So has the number of tests. The percent positive rate has dropped to 6 percent, from as high as 20 percent, early on.

So, the cases has spiked for sure, but most certainly not from opening back up.

The percentage of ICU bed use has remained in the 65-70% range since March.

Ventilator usage is at 30 percent capacity.

I'm not sure what you are looking at. Try this.

https://azdhs.gov/preparedness/epidemiology-disease-control/infectious-disease-epidemiology/covid-19/dashboards/index.php

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4926 on: June 07, 2020, 08:29:57 AM »
It is facile of course to seek simple single variable explanations that conform to one's political views.  Often, the situations are much more complex and textured.

It's like blaming everything on one Supreme Court decision.  It's simple and easy to remember, but almost certainly wrong.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4927 on: June 07, 2020, 08:52:48 AM »
It is facile of course to seek simple single variable explanations that conform to one's political views.  Often, the situations are much more complex and textured.

It's like blaming everything on one Supreme Court decision.  It's simple and easy to remember, but almost certainly wrong.
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