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So I want them dead because I want better for them and don't understand their perceived helplessness? 
Yeah, that makes sense. I love how this whole thing turned into my hating coal miners.  Literally the opposite of what sparked the discussion in the first place.

Let's define a "shitty job" as any job no one would choose if all jobs paid the same.  How about that?  Now is it a shitty job?  To me, the shittiness of a job has nothing to do with the paycheck you take home.

And you mention wanting fact based evidence and not anecdotal stories but where are your facts 

Even at that you are coming at it from the angle that because you think it’s a shitty job everyone must think it’s a shitty job.  Some people would think sitting all day at a desk in front of a computer screen is a shitty job.  Some would think trying to teach hormonal, smart ass kids all day is a shitty job.  Some would think taking care of sick people and changing bed pans is a shitty job (pun intended).

You guys might as well be arguing with Cnn or Ms Nbc.

The only way that Fro is changing his mind is if they change their's.

@#!%$^&*ing go for it ,not like you have to run away on a your bad wheel.Out with it Blutarsky

I’m not ignoring anything. You are. It has nothing to do with racism. It has everything to do with class. There are two classes in this country- rich and poor. Rich people give the same amount of f##ks about poor white people as they do about poor black people: none.

What you’re seeing in neighborhoods like that are the effects of high paying, low skill manual labor manufacturing jobs being gutted and entire industries collapsing in a chain reaction. Detroit has under 700,000 residents today, it is one of the poorest cities in the country, and looks like a literal war zone. In the 1960’s it was a city of almost 2 million residents and the richest city in the entire world. That’s why Detroit became a major hub for black people- they were able to flee the south and head north and get good paying jobs in manufacturing that didn’t require skill. And other entire industries and economies built up around the manufacturing jobs. See: Motown, 1950s/60s Detroit.

All of the out-sourcing and capital flight with the financialization of the US economy hurt these people the most. A corrupt, morally bankrupt political class of Democrats- which they shockingly continue to vote for- did them in. All of this has very little to do with race. That’s just pure and utter bullshit and side-tracking and avoiding all of the many the real problems that exist.

When you have cities losing entire industries and enormous numbers of quality paying low-skill jobs, and corrupt politicians that do absolutely nothing about providing legitimate health-care or improving education- you get cities like Detroit. Poverty breeds crime, drug & alcohol addictions, and poorer people tend to have way more children and children out of wedlock as well.

To blame it all on racism and think that is the cause is just astoundingly small minded and stupid and it’s not looking at a big picture with a lot of moving, complex parts.