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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #7602 on: July 31, 2020, 12:02:19 PM »
A friend couldn't find a place to get his daughter tested here in KC... drove an hour north to St. Joe's and was tested immediately.   It's spotty..

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #7603 on: July 31, 2020, 12:02:33 PM »
It is a thing that will vary a lot by location.

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« Reply #7604 on: July 31, 2020, 12:03:15 PM »
Not so easy to get a covid test. 

My better half showing lots of symptoms- aches, chills, fever, nausea. 

Been trying to line one up for 3 days. 

CVS locations all just say” we apologize, we were unable to fulfill your request” no matter which location or time I choose.

Several local clinics advertise they have testing but once you complete the online form they say you are registered and for convenience they will contact you.  But none of those local clinics have returned the contact  after 3 days.

I have called the 2 local hospitals and they say you need a referral and an appointment, but she doesn’t have a local doctor and nobody is taking new patients.

I guess there is not much they can do anyway so we are just quarantining her anyway. 
First of all, good luck.

Second, make an appointment with her primary care doctor. She'll be tested immediately. If you can't do that, drive 2 hours to the other side. Piece of cake getting tested by us.
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« Reply #7605 on: July 31, 2020, 12:03:37 PM »
It's definitely varying geographically.  I think HB is in Florida, right?

Here in Austin it's pretty easy to get a test.  My inlaws each got tested same-day they called for a testing appointment, that was last Friday, and they even had their (positive) results back that night.  So about 9 hours from first contact to test result. My wife got one on Monday because she had a very short exposure to the her parents before they knew they were positive, only ten minutes with them but she went into their house.  Maybe 2 hours from first call to test, and she got the results back (negative) within 48 hours.


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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #7606 on: July 31, 2020, 12:09:30 PM »
Yes- Southeast Florida. 

Tried CVS- worked this time. Got her a test for this afternoon.  Results are 10-14 days they tell us.  😣
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« Reply #7607 on: July 31, 2020, 12:11:10 PM »
Thanks.  She is already improving. She is “quite a bit” younger than me. 😬
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« Reply #7608 on: July 31, 2020, 12:12:03 PM »
Really? That’s strange. My wife runs a healthcare clinic down here. Anybody can call there and request a test and they will set you up an appointment usually within 24-48 hours.  My daughter plays travel softball and we had to get all the kids tested a couple of weeks ago because  we had potential exposure at a tournament.  Most of the team went to the clinic over a 2-3 day period and all of us got tested.

And it wasn’t a situation where my wife pulled strings to get it done either.  It’s just standard for whoever wants tested.

That’s so much better.  Here- they won’t let you even do it by phone.  Every clinic I called within a 20 mile radius basically said you have to go and register online and we will contact you so I did three of them and have not been contacted by one of them yet.
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« Reply #7609 on: July 31, 2020, 12:12:58 PM »
I would expect nothing less you dog
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« Reply #7610 on: July 31, 2020, 12:33:19 PM »
Hang in there HB.  I hope she gets better soon, and that you remain symptom-free.

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« Reply #7611 on: July 31, 2020, 01:44:32 PM »
Hang in there HB.  I hope she gets better soon, and that you remain symptom-free.

Thanks Utee.   
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« Reply #7612 on: August 01, 2020, 01:36:59 AM »
That’s so much better.  Here- they won’t let you even do it by phone.  Every clinic I called within a 20 mile radius basically said you have to go and register online and we will contact you so I did three of them and have not been contacted by one of them yet.
Best wishes. Ten-days for a test result is unacceptable. I have read that primary caregiver tests give fairly quick results. Hospital tests are fastest, but are reserved for sicker patients. It may be tiresome but explore options.
The good news is women tend to recover better than men. Take precautions. I am old enough that if someone in my household gets sick, either the rest of us go to a hotel, or the sick one goes to a hotel and we deliver food. At least that's the plan.


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« Reply #7613 on: August 01, 2020, 01:42:07 AM »
Two guys posted the following on the only other MB I post on, a private OU board.  The first one has a fraternity brother who is a doctor in IIRC the Kansas City area, so he's pretty much up on at least the gist of what's going on where the rubber meets the road.  The second one is an ICU nurse.


First Guy: _____ - would you comment on what I’m going to post.  It’s from a gal in Joplin that I went to school with and it is from her sister who is a nurse at one of the hospitals there:

In the COVID ICU we use medications like vecuronium to completely paralyze your muscles so we can control every aspect of your breathing. So now you are paralyzed but we don't want you paralyzed while alert and awake, that would be inhumane. So we add at least 2 sedation medications. One is usually propofol (the one linked to Michael Jackson's death) and the other is fentanyl (the one linked to so many opioid overdose deaths). Of note, all these medications usually go on an IV, but not on your arm like they would do in the emergency room, we put IVs right into your jugular. But hey, all this sedation also lowers your blood pressure and you need an adequate pressure for blood to reach your vital organs, like your kidneys, you don't want kidney failure. So now you are on another medication called levophed to keep your blood pressure up. But being on all these medications while completely unable to move and with a tube down your throat... where do you get your nutrition from? So we put another tube down into your stomach, we put another tube in your urethra to make sure you are urinating, the tube feedings and antibiotics cause diarrhea so we put a tube in your rectum to further protect skin and prevent infections. Meanwhile your muscles are wasting away from being paralyzed, you are at an insanely high risk of infection because of all these tubes and IVs in places where they don't belong, your skin can breakdown due to prolonged contact pressure from being paralyzed, and you can develop heart rhythm irregularities as side effects of these medications, which now puts you at an increased risk of cardiac arrest and dying.



So when you are bitching about having to wear a mask, think of these patients I take care of. Already battling  #covid19 with a pair of sick lungs, completely paralyzed, alone, sedated and fighting for their lives. #wearamask

2nd Guy: Pretty much spot on. I worked a three-week crisis travel contract in a COVID-ICU at Houston Methodist back in late March/early April. It was an eye-opener to be sure. I’ve never seen so much death in one place. With no known effective treatments for the virus, these critically ill patients just don’t get any better. They’re intubated for weeks at a time. Yes, we used paralytics, especially in the worst pulmonary cases where they were repeatedly proned on their stomachs in an attempt to build recruitment of the pulmonary alveoli. Our drug of choice was Nimbex, but Rocuronium would work, too. You can’t paralyze patients without sedating them - it’s inhumane - so we’d place the patiencs on IV Propofol drips, Fentanyl drips, Precedex drips, even Ketamine drips in those patients that were the most difficult to achieve adequate sedation. ICU psychosis is a real thing, especially in sedated patients, and the long-term psychological effects of long-term intubation/sedation in COVID patients are just now being realized. These patients are fucked up. No family members are allowed in the rooms. Normal mechanisms for orienting these patients just aren’t available in a COVID ICU. Not to mention all the healthcare workers are esssntially dressed like stormtroopers with all their PPE. I can only imagine how scary that must be for the patientr. Yes, while the patients are intubated they can’t eat or drink, so a nasogastric or orogastric tube is inserted down into the patients’ stomachs and tube feeding and medications are given through these tubes. Weeks of inactivity causes severe muscle atrophy, so even if these patients survive (which isn’t often - mortality rates in intubated COVID patients range from 50 to as high as 90% at the worst of the NYC crisis back in April), these patients are weak and immunocompromised and at risk of succumbing to myriads of associated health conditions. COVID attacks the heart and cam cause extreme heart failure, to the extent that these patients are sometimes placed on ECMO, which is basically like a giant bypass machine that pumps blood through the body when the heart is unable to do its job. The catheters through which blood exits and enters the body required for ECMO are the size of large drinking straws. These are the most extreme cases and they’re almost certain to die if ECMO is necessary. Long-term pulmonary failure eventually impairs the kidneys, so these patients go into renal failure and can require continuous renal replacement therapy (CRRT), which is essentially continuous dialysis. These COVID units are a hell on earth, where all nurses, physicians, physicians assistants, nurse practitioners, respiratory therapists, nurse techs, etc. are scared to death or contracting the virus. The mental and emotional toll of seeing all that death and basically being unable to help anyone is immeasurable. I drove home from Houston to Oklahoma and, completely exhausted from 60-70 hour work weeks, I missed speed limit signs in a small town about 30 minutes from home and got pulled over by local police. I was so emotionally strung-out that this was the tipping point and I just started bawling as the officer made his way to my car. I managed to explain what was going on and the officer asked if I had emotional support at the destination to which I was traveling (I was going home to see my fiancée) and he let me go without so much as a warning. About all I was able to say to him was to just repeat “so much death” over and over. I’m sure I was a sight to see. So if anyone ever tries to tell you that COVID is some kind of hoax, just remember my words here. It’s real, it’s terrible, and it’s the worst thing I’ve ever seen in 11 years of ICU nursing.
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« Reply #7614 on: August 01, 2020, 02:34:49 AM »
Two guys posted the following on the only other MB I post on, a private OU board.  The first one has a fraternity brother who is a doctor in IIRC the Kansas City area, so he's pretty much up on at least the gist of what's going on where the rubber meets the road.  The second one is an ICU nurse.


First Guy: _____ - would you comment on what I’m going to post.  It’s from a gal in Joplin that I went to school with and it is from her sister who is a nurse at one of the hospitals there:

In the COVID ICU we use medications like vecuronium to completely paralyze your muscles so we can control every aspect of your breathing. So now you are paralyzed but we don't want you paralyzed while alert and awake, that would be inhumane. So we add at least 2 sedation medications. One is usually propofol (the one linked to Michael Jackson's death) and the other is fentanyl (the one linked to so many opioid overdose deaths). Of note, all these medications usually go on an IV, but not on your arm like they would do in the emergency room, we put IVs right into your jugular. But hey, all this sedation also lowers your blood pressure and you need an adequate pressure for blood to reach your vital organs, like your kidneys, you don't want kidney failure. So now you are on another medication called levophed to keep your blood pressure up. But being on all these medications while completely unable to move and with a tube down your throat... where do you get your nutrition from? So we put another tube down into your stomach, we put another tube in your urethra to make sure you are urinating, the tube feedings and antibiotics cause diarrhea so we put a tube in your rectum to further protect skin and prevent infections. Meanwhile your muscles are wasting away from being paralyzed, you are at an insanely high risk of infection because of all these tubes and IVs in places where they don't belong, your skin can breakdown due to prolonged contact pressure from being paralyzed, and you can develop heart rhythm irregularities as side effects of these medications, which now puts you at an increased risk of cardiac arrest and dying.



So when you are bitching about having to wear a mask, think of these patients I take care of. Already battling  #covid19 with a pair of sick lungs, completely paralyzed, alone, sedated and fighting for their lives. #wearamask

2nd Guy: Pretty much spot on. I worked a three-week crisis travel contract in a COVID-ICU at Houston Methodist back in late March/early April. It was an eye-opener to be sure. I’ve never seen so much death in one place. With no known effective treatments for the virus, these critically ill patients just don’t get any better. They’re intubated for weeks at a time. Yes, we used paralytics, especially in the worst pulmonary cases where they were repeatedly proned on their stomachs in an attempt to build recruitment of the pulmonary alveoli. Our drug of choice was Nimbex, but Rocuronium would work, too. You can’t paralyze patients without sedating them - it’s inhumane - so we’d place the patiencs on IV Propofol drips, Fentanyl drips, Precedex drips, even Ketamine drips in those patients that were the most difficult to achieve adequate sedation. ICU psychosis is a real thing, especially in sedated patients, and the long-term psychological effects of long-term intubation/sedation in COVID patients are just now being realized. These patients are fucked up. No family members are allowed in the rooms. Normal mechanisms for orienting these patients just aren’t available in a COVID ICU. Not to mention all the healthcare workers are esssntially dressed like stormtroopers with all their PPE. I can only imagine how scary that must be for the patientr. Yes, while the patients are intubated they can’t eat or drink, so a nasogastric or orogastric tube is inserted down into the patients’ stomachs and tube feeding and medications are given through these tubes. Weeks of inactivity causes severe muscle atrophy, so even if these patients survive (which isn’t often - mortality rates in intubated COVID patients range from 50 to as high as 90% at the worst of the NYC crisis back in April), these patients are weak and immunocompromised and at risk of succumbing to myriads of associated health conditions. COVID attacks the heart and cam cause extreme heart failure, to the extent that these patients are sometimes placed on ECMO, which is basically like a giant bypass machine that pumps blood through the body when the heart is unable to do its job. The catheters through which blood exits and enters the body required for ECMO are the size of large drinking straws. These are the most extreme cases and they’re almost certain to die if ECMO is necessary. Long-term pulmonary failure eventually impairs the kidneys, so these patients go into renal failure and can require continuous renal replacement therapy (CRRT), which is essentially continuous dialysis. These COVID units are a hell on earth, where all nurses, physicians, physicians assistants, nurse practitioners, respiratory therapists, nurse techs, etc. are scared to death or contracting the virus. The mental and emotional toll of seeing all that death and basically being unable to help anyone is immeasurable. I drove home from Houston to Oklahoma and, completely exhausted from 60-70 hour work weeks, I missed speed limit signs in a small town about 30 minutes from home and got pulled over by local police. I was so emotionally strung-out that this was the tipping point and I just started bawling as the officer made his way to my car. I managed to explain what was going on and the officer asked if I had emotional support at the destination to which I was traveling (I was going home to see my fiancée) and he let me go without so much as a warning. About all I was able to say to him was to just repeat “so much death” over and over. I’m sure I was a sight to see. So if anyone ever tries to tell you that COVID is some kind of hoax, just remember my words here. It’s real, it’s terrible, and it’s the worst thing I’ve ever seen in 11 years of ICU nursing.

Today on the front page of the Dubuque Telegraph Herald was a story that Dubuque County and the State of Iowa is in a White House report "red zone." I knew I had to do more for my one-man law office. I called the local hardware store at 8:15 a.m. Friday, and asked that they cut a plastic shield I could hang above the front counter for my secretary where she greets clients.
Dubuque has had a surge. I am in an adjoining rural county, and while it is better here, it is circulating somewhat.
I had someone who works inside a meatpacking plant 45-miles from here today. The plant has been on the national news, and has had five-deaths from COVID-19. This person was very respectful of the risks; all of us wore masks.
Two days ago I was at a grocery, and about 20% of the customers had masks. We have a Wal-Mart Super Center, and I am beginning to wonder if the people unwilling to wear masks, after Wal-Mart required masks, are now grocery shopping at Fareway Stores, an Iowa chain of grocery stores, that does not require customers wear masks.
If we want kids and college students to go to school (it's probably too late), we need to take all the precautions. This is already heating up. This is going to really heat up when school starts.

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« Reply #7615 on: August 01, 2020, 03:31:14 AM »
 Piece of cake getting tested by us.
We know.

But it's not like that everywhere.  
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