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Topic: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas

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Entropy

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #7588 on: July 31, 2020, 09:51:04 AM »
basically, the study in Germany looked at 100 COVID patients and compared their heart exams before and after infection.  78 of them showed heart damage to some degree... and not all were hospitalized.

There could be selection bias and I wouldn't say this study is without fault, but it should warrant more study.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #7589 on: July 31, 2020, 10:11:40 AM »
Minnesota is leaving decisions to districts, but gave out guidance on when and how to proceed. Basically, a 14-day countywide rolling average of confirmed new cases determines how much students are in the building. Anywhere from everyone is in, to various hybrids of distance and in-person, to everyone's distant. Masks/face coverings anytime in the building.

Details are sufficiently gritty that it was hard to fully explain in yesterday's presser, but it seems like a decent attempt to thread the needle between the need for kids to be in school and the fact that kids catch and spread the virus just as much as adults do.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #7590 on: July 31, 2020, 10:23:28 AM »
Teachers are generally scared, and I don't blame them. 

Parents are scared too, in two ways. 

One, is the kid going to catch it and bring it home. Two, what happens to the kid's learning - especially those with special needs - if it's all online?

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #7591 on: July 31, 2020, 10:28:37 AM »
basically, they a study in Germany looked at 100 COVID patients and compared their heart exams before and after infection.  78 of them showed heart damage to some degree... and not all were hospitalized.

There could be selection bias and I wouldn't say this study is without fault, but it should warrant more study.

I wonder if the heart damage associated with CHQ usage might actually be just this.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #7592 on: July 31, 2020, 10:37:15 AM »
basically, they a study in Germany looked at 100 COVID patients and compared their heart exams before and after infection.  78 of them showed heart damage to some degree... and not all were hospitalized.

There could be selection bias and I wouldn't say this study is without fault, but it should warrant more study.
I couldnt agree more

Its unfortunate that the doctors in the article didnt feel that way before they made a blanket statement that the virus damages the hearts of 75% of the positive folks
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #7593 on: July 31, 2020, 10:40:35 AM »
Teachers are generally scared, and I don't blame them.

Parents are scared too, in two ways.

One, is the kid going to catch it and bring it home. Two, what happens to the kid's learning - especially those with special needs - if it's all online?
Every teacher I know is absolutely petrified at the prospect of going back to the classroom. 

A good friend of my wife is a special ed teacher in Massachusetts. The district is buying her a hazmat suit, as she will be in person 5 days a week. 

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #7594 on: July 31, 2020, 11:13:02 AM »
I couldnt agree more

Its unfortunate that the doctors in the article didnt feel that way before they made a blanket statement that the virus damages the hearts of 75% of the positive folks
They didn't make a blanket statement.

They basically said "here's what we did, here's what we found, and this points to the need to study this further."

If you read the article @Entropy posted, it never made a prediction that these findings will be universal in future studies. They didn't make any forward-looking statements beyond this suggesting there's a need for more investigation.

Now, dumb journalists might have not realized the distinction, but don't blame the doctors.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #7595 on: July 31, 2020, 11:22:56 AM »
I take it as almost certain that ANY journalistic report on ANY topic technical will be misleading and even completely false.


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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #7596 on: July 31, 2020, 11:32:07 AM »

Swing and a miss. Nice try though, and thanks for playing.  
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #7597 on: July 31, 2020, 11:39:29 AM »
Not so easy to get a covid test.  

My better half showing lots of symptoms- aches, chills, fever, nausea.  

Been trying to line one up for 3 days.  

CVS locations all just say” we apologize, we were unable to fulfill your request” no matter which location or time I choose. 

Several local clinics advertise they have testing but once you complete the online form they say you are registered and for convenience they will contact you.  But none of those local clinics have returned the contact  after 3 days. 

I have called the 2 local hospitals and they say you need a referral and an appointment, but she doesn’t have a local doctor and nobody is taking new patients. 

I guess there is not much they can do anyway so we are just quarantining her anyway.  
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #7598 on: July 31, 2020, 11:45:54 AM »
Good luck, @Honestbuckeye -- hope your better half recovers well and you avoid any symptoms yourself.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #7599 on: July 31, 2020, 11:47:23 AM »
Good luck, @Honestbuckeye -- hope your better half recovers well and you avoid any symptoms yourself.
Thanks.  She is already improving. She is “quite a bit” younger than me. 😬
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #7600 on: July 31, 2020, 11:51:27 AM »
The ease of getting a test varies by location.  The wife was tested Wednesday, she said there was one car in line ahead of her.  Results back today negative.

This was a no appointment test site north of us, drive in.  She was there about 8:30 AM.  I'm going Wednesday.

She said it was unpleasant, I'm told it helps if you tilt your head far back and don't come forward when they probe you brain to insert the microchip.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #7601 on: July 31, 2020, 11:57:41 AM »
Not so easy to get a covid test. 

My better half showing lots of symptoms- aches, chills, fever, nausea. 

Been trying to line one up for 3 days. 

CVS locations all just say” we apologize, we were unable to fulfill your request” no matter which location or time I choose.

Several local clinics advertise they have testing but once you complete the online form they say you are registered and for convenience they will contact you.  But none of those local clinics have returned the contact  after 3 days.

I have called the 2 local hospitals and they say you need a referral and an appointment, but she doesn’t have a local doctor and nobody is taking new patients.

I guess there is not much they can do anyway so we are just quarantining her anyway. 
Really? That’s strange. My wife runs a healthcare clinic down here. Anybody can call there and request a test and they will set you up an appointment usually within 24-48 hours.  My daughter plays travel softball and we had to get all the kids tested a couple of weeks ago because  we had potential exposure at a tournament.  Most of the team went to the clinic over a 2-3 day period and all of us got tested.

And it wasn’t a situation where my wife pulled strings to get it done either.  It’s just standard for whoever wants tested.

 

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