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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #7504 on: July 29, 2020, 06:32:37 PM »
Yup.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #7505 on: July 29, 2020, 06:36:37 PM »
I agree there will be another one.

I think it's unlikely the public will tolerate another actual lockdown in the face of a virus similar to this one.  It'll have to be "bodies lining the streets" bad before the public will allow it to happen again.

I won't make a value judgment on that statement, and it's certainly just my opinion, but that's what I see happening, realistically.
Yeah, but looking back, that wasn't a lockdown.  Go out and get food whenever you want.  Go to your job, essential workers.  Hell, go out for any reason and just say you're getting food.

An actual, shorter lockdown would be more effective then a pseudo-lockdown full of whining and TP shortages.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #7506 on: July 29, 2020, 06:58:05 PM »
Yeah, but looking back, that wasn't a lockdown.  Go out and get food whenever you want.  Go to your job, essential workers.  Hell, go out for any reason and just say you're getting food.

An actual, shorter lockdown would be more effective then a pseudo-lockdown full of whining and TP shortages.

That's fair.

But I think the data shows it was pretty effective regardless. The curve flattened and hospitals weren't overwhelmed and that was the whole point because the area under the curve isn't going to change-- wasn't ever even capable of changing.

People aren't getting COVID at the grocery store.  They're not getting it picking up take-out.  They're not getting it from deliveries. This is true in the US, it's true in Europe, and it's true all the way back to the beginning in China.  Uber Eats was VERY popular in China after they went on their much stricter lockdowns, and the virus still wasn't spreading there, not from THOSE sources.

It was spreading amongst meat packing plant workers.  And construction workers.  And line workers at manufacturing plants.  And then... once the bars opened... it was spreading there.  The worst.

I think we've got a pretty good handle on what spreads this virus.  Not everyone believes or understands or is willing to do even the bare minimum, but the smart folks that are paying attention know what environments and what behaviors are most likely to spread it.  The states that reopened bars and inside venues too quickly or too sharply have reversed that, and in most cases, the results are positive.  

I don't believe that a full, true lockdown could have eradicated this thing entirely, and that means that something was inevitably going to slip through, and start the climb all over again.  We must understand the ramifications of that knowledge, and let it shape future responses to similar events.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #7507 on: July 29, 2020, 07:36:19 PM »
Nicely put.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #7508 on: July 29, 2020, 09:57:05 PM »
Our school district will be online-only when it opens on 8/13, all the way through 9/7.  At that point they say they'll revert to the split model of some kids on-campus and some online-only, however parents had previously chosen.

However, I don't see any reason it will be any more, nor less safe, on 9/8, than it is right now.  And it won't be any more, nor less safe, on 10/8.  Or 11/8.  Or 12/8. 

This is just some "kick the can down the road" behavior to keep parents quiet about wanting in-person school. 

We're planning on yanking our kids from public school and putting them into pods.
School boards are in a pickle, I think.  They are elected officials, so they are at least somewhat responsive to public opinion. And they've got some parents saying they'll be damned if they'll let their kids wear masks and other parents saying that they don't want their kids in school (a.k.a. Coronavirus Heaven) until the pandemic is over.
As I think I posted upthread, I don't see how we go for very long--like less than a month--before we start getting a few positives and contract tracing demonstrates that nearly everyone in the building has been exposed.
What then?
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #7509 on: July 29, 2020, 09:58:54 PM »
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #7510 on: July 29, 2020, 10:53:16 PM »
School boards are in a pickle, I think.  They are elected officials, so they are at least somewhat responsive to public opinion. And they've got some parents saying they'll be damned if they'll let their kids wear masks and other parents saying that they don't want their kids in school (a.k.a. Coronavirus Heaven) until the pandemic is over.
As I think I posted upthread, I don't see how we go for very long--like less than a month--before we start getting a few positives and contract tracing demonstrates that nearly everyone in the building has been exposed.
What then?
you test everybody and if positive quarantine and keep going

there will be positives and we just have to deal with it
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #7511 on: July 29, 2020, 10:53:30 PM »
School boards are in a pickle, I think.  They are elected officials, so they are at least somewhat responsive to public opinion. And they've got some parents saying they'll be damned if they'll let their kids wear masks and other parents saying that they don't want their kids in school (a.k.a. Coronavirus Heaven) until the pandemic is over.
As I think I posted upthread, I don't see how we go for very long--like less than a month--before we start getting a few positives and contract tracing demonstrates that nearly everyone in the building has been exposed.
What then?

They're for sure in a pickle.  I'm not certain the science indicates that children are going to transmit to adults in such a manner that they would infect "everyone in the building."  I think it's more likely those adults bring the exposure from elsewhere.  But given that the "children are a petri dish" rationale is the fear that's driving school closure, I am willing to concede, and this is precisely the reason I'm withdrawing my children and proceeding with alternative schooling.

Public schools don't want the health risk and that's fine.  I don't accept the risk to the education of my children and I will proceed with alternative plans.

We have freedom, we have choice, and we can exercise those options.  Isn't that one of the main reasons many of us claim to love this country?

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #7512 on: July 29, 2020, 11:10:25 PM »
The blind, angry people insisting on in-person schooling only need to go peek in some classrooms.

Every child and adult in a mask, desks spaced 6 feet apart, and no touching/leaning over a shoulder/shared materials. 

All supplemental furniture removed from the classroom, classes staying in their classrooms, save for lunch and P.E.
Not going to be very fun if you're 7 years old.  Confined to one room, covered up and spaced out.  Straining to see the board if their teacher isn't very tech-savvy OR straining from looking at their screens for 6 hours if their teacher is tech savvy. 

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #7513 on: July 29, 2020, 11:16:51 PM »
The blind, angry people insisting on in-person schooling only need to go peek in some classrooms.

Every child and adult in a mask, desks spaced 6 feet apart, and no touching/leaning over a shoulder/shared materials. 

All supplemental furniture removed from the classroom, classes staying in their classrooms, save for lunch and P.E.
Not going to be very fun if you're 7 years old.  Confined to one room, covered up and spaced out.  Straining to see the board if their teacher isn't very tech-savvy OR straining from looking at their screens for 6 hours if their teacher is tech savvy. 


Your "blind, angry" characterization of concerned parents that don't share your exact, narrow view, renders you incompetent to possess a worthwhile opinion.  It's your standard flaw, your most basic defect. Your experience is so narrow that you simply don't have a reasonable basis for generating an objective view.

But I've already granted you the concession.  I'm not insisting on in-person schooling for all children.  I'm withdrawing my children from the purview of your flawed, narrow view, and providing better for them, outside of your system.

No skin off your back, I can absolutely guarantee that you aren't someone I'd voluntarily ask to educate my children.  Breathe easy.  You are 100% off the hook.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #7514 on: July 29, 2020, 11:18:21 PM »
We start school on Monday - online only.  For now, it's online-only until Aug 17th, but that date may be moved.  It's up to the school board, as our state leader and national leader have obfuscated their influences. 

I'm the "online only" teacher for my grade level, as in I'll be teaching that way as long as there are students not showing up in person.  So it's possible I could teach all year without meeting my students...which sucks. 

Overall, for this virus, at least we have an example of what NOT to do.  During the next one (and there will be a next one), we must not set arbitrary dates over and over and after several have passed, setting arbitrary dates to re-open.  That's what we've done:  back in April, we started the "hope and wait ___ weeks" thing.  Wait 2 weeks, and hopefully it'll be better.  Wait a month and hopefully it'll be better.  Wait 2 months, and eh, it's not really better, but it's not worse, so let's re-open. 

Half-measures and hope are garbage strategies.  A hardcore shutdown for 3 weeks would make sense.  Go out, gather your food and bullets and toilet paper for the next 3 weeks, because everyone is on lockdown. 

As long as we hold fast to our freedom to spread the disease, our freedom will imprison us.
I can not even imagine the chaos that would ensue if the government told everyone to go get everything you need now because we are shutting everything down for 3 weeks.  Grocery stores would become war zones.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #7515 on: July 29, 2020, 11:21:57 PM »
I wasn't suggesting you were part of that group of people, just that there is a group of people out there that can be described as such.


You do this a lot - feeling targeted by my posts when you're not part of the population I'm talking about.  I'd teach your kids to maintain objectivity and to not take discussions personally.  It's too bad you've forbidden it.  


The only people who should feel targeted by my post concerning "blind, angry people" are the blind, angry people out there.  Pretty fucking simple.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #7516 on: July 29, 2020, 11:22:24 PM »
I can not even imagine the chaos that would ensue if the government told everyone to go get everything you need now because we are shutting everything down for 3 weeks.  Grocery stores would become war zones.
It depends how much time was provided to do so.  
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« Reply #7517 on: July 29, 2020, 11:28:33 PM »
I wasn't suggesting you were part of that group of people, just that there is a group of people out there that can be described as such.


You do this a lot - feeling targeted by my posts when you're not part of the population I'm talking about.  I'd teach your kids to maintain objectivity and to not take discussions personally.  It's too bad you've forbidden it. 


The only people who should feel targeted by my post concerning "blind, angry people" are the blind, angry people out there.  Pretty fucking simple.
Who were you responding to on this message board?  Who, on this message board, has acted as such?  And if not me or other parents on this message board, why even bring it up here?

You do this a lot-- drive-by posting of blanket accusations, and then retreating when you're called out on it.  If I could, I'd teach you to maintain objectivity, but the sad truth is you're far beyond that.  It's too bad that you've sequestered yourself and shut yourself off from it.  You seem like a truly miserable soul, and I hope that in real life, you're not.  

 

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