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utee94

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #7476 on: July 29, 2020, 02:36:55 PM »
I wonder how Belgium is enforcing that policy of only interacting with the same 5 people outside of your family?

It's pretty obvious that the places that have reopened inside spaces where masks are difficult or impossible to use (bars, restaurants), are seeing increased cases.  Just as happened here.  

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #7477 on: July 29, 2020, 02:40:34 PM »
Yeah, once you reopen, it starts back again, area under the curve.  We did delay it, we kept the hospitals from being overrun, for now.  Could we shut down again and delay it until a vaccine is available?  Of course, but the economic impact ....

And yes, I have a thing for Cost:Benefit analyses.

The wife and I are going in for elective surgery (outpatient) in a week or so.

I think a vaccine should knock R naught far enough under unity to get this thing pushed back, but that is months off.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #7478 on: July 29, 2020, 02:54:26 PM »
I don't have any confidence that we'll have an effective vaccine.

But if it does happen, that would obviously be great.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #7479 on: July 29, 2020, 03:00:41 PM »
Just wear your mask.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #7480 on: July 29, 2020, 03:11:16 PM »
Just wear your mask.

Yup.  Definitely appears to help.


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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #7481 on: July 29, 2020, 03:28:59 PM »
I have solid expectations of a useful vaccine.  Results from several early trials look very promising, better than I would have expected.  I don't know how long it will last.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #7482 on: July 29, 2020, 03:39:19 PM »
Being hopeful for an effective vaccine is fine.

Making any public health/policy decisions based on the assumption that we'll ever have an effective vaccine is not fine.

It'll result in continued delaying behavior, with no realistic expectation of result.  That will foment further rebellion and what small strides we've made, would be in danger of being completely wiped out, and worse than that, reversed.  We've already watched that happen in multiple states.  It will get far worse as things go on.


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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #7483 on: July 29, 2020, 03:39:29 PM »
I obviously do not have the ability, or the desire, to change your mind.  You are not getting my point- as evidenced by your repeated attempts ( innocently) to rephrase my point- incorrectly
that’s ok. 
I can only say I am a huge supporter of freedom of speech and a huge opponent of censorship of opposing points of view.  I am disappointed at how much that is going on now. 
I mean, there's just a lot of fiction out there about how that 230 thing works. And some of what you wrote seemed to invoke some of it. If a point it built on some of those fictions, it's a tough point to make. 

And I think we're in part in agreement. I don't particularly like the shutting down of her video. Even if I think what she's saying if balderdash, people can say balderdash. But I also understand it's an exercise in the company's speech to not host that. There's other stuff they don't host that's free speech, and that is what it is. In truth, the freest of speech is often the most ugly and heinous. It's weird because we don't have a fully public square online, more an approximation of one, and that does create some questions. 

But I'll stand by the idea that this deconstruction of Section 230 creates either a litany of headaches, much less ability to speak online or both. 

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #7484 on: July 29, 2020, 03:40:56 PM »
Being hopeful for an effective vaccine is fine.

Making any public health/policy decisions based on the assumption that we'll ever have an effective vaccine is not fine.

It'll result in continued delaying behavior, with no realistic expectation of result.  That will foment further rebellion and what small strides we've made, would be in danger of being completely wiped out, and worse than that, reversed.  We've already watched that happen in multiple states.  It will get far worse as things go on.


Agree with this.

The most interesting would to be the distribution process. How fast does it happen, how much normalcy can resume. Like, does life turn back even somewhat quickly?

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #7485 on: July 29, 2020, 03:41:24 PM »
Both school districts for the kids opening with 100% distance learning. Hoping to resume in-person instruction.

Orange County Board of Education is going to sue Newsom over it. That'll be fun...

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #7486 on: July 29, 2020, 03:42:34 PM »
I'd say mean things about social media...

...but they buy a lot of storage products. 

So imma be quiet on anything related to Sec 230.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #7487 on: July 29, 2020, 03:45:04 PM »
I'd say mean things about social media...

...but they buy a lot of storage products.

So imma be quiet on anything related to Sec 230.
Yeah we sell a lot of Enterprise systems and infrastructure to those companies, so...

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #7488 on: July 29, 2020, 03:47:27 PM »
I wonder how Belgium is enforcing that policy of only interacting with the same 5 people outside of your family?
They aren't, it's like a mask mandate.  I read somewhere there have been ZERO citations for not wearing a mask anywhere in the US.  ZERO.

I can claim I was six feet away.  The police aren't going to waste their time.

The wife was telling me about a big soiree' in Paris set up over social media, over a thousand young people in the parks playing music and dancing, no masks.  The police finally showed up and broke it up, but zero citations for anything.  The group probably moved over a few blocks.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #7489 on: July 29, 2020, 03:48:16 PM »
Both school districts for the kids opening with 100% distance learning. Hoping to resume in-person instruction.

Orange County Board of Education is going to sue Newsom over it. That'll be fun...

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Our school district will be online-only when it opens on 8/13, all the way through 9/7.  At that point they say they'll revert to the split model of some kids on-campus and some online-only, however parents had previously chosen.

However, I don't see any reason it will be any more, nor less safe, on 9/8, than it is right now.  And it won't be any more, nor less safe, on 10/8.  Or 11/8.  Or 12/8.  

This is just some "kick the can down the road" behavior to keep parents quiet about wanting in-person school.  

We're planning on yanking our kids from public school and putting them into pods.

 

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