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Just plain soap is an amazingly effective antibacterial.  You don't need a tiny amount of chlorohexidine in soap anyway, it's marketing BS.

I find human tolerance of drinking water to be fascinating.  My buddy who is Turkish told us he could drink the water in Istanbul but advised we not do it.  He's been here 40 years.  We were to stay at a fancy hotel, so they might have treated their water additionally, but he said normal tap water there would make us sick.

And, "back in the day", we all drank out of a stream anyway.  Dogs do it now with no ill effect.

Well, morons being morons ruined it for everyone...

Surf’s down in California: Governor set to close beaches

1. When the government is the one encouraging hospitals to attribute everyone possible to Covid, how would that be medicare fraud? They are following government guidelines. The point is that the government is the one that appears to be the entity that is propping up the numbers. The hospital is simply following the guidelines being issued. 


2. When someone with a terminal illness shows symptoms of a cold, flu or any other virus, and they ultimately die, their deaths are not attributed to the cold, flu or other illness. However with Covid, that seems to be the case. Why is that? What is so different about this virus that any and all deaths need to be accounted for as having been a result of this virus? Most likely because having people die of other factors does nothing to spread fear and panic the way that showing high number of Covid deaths does. 


3.That could be a possibility. However based on comments made by both Dr. Birx and Dr. Fauci, it would seem unlikely. Both of these doctors appear to be reveling in their new found fame and power to influence public policy. Dr. Birx suggesting to attribute any deaths to Covid just for showing symptoms and Dr. Fauci telling people we should not shake hands but having sex with people you meet online would be ok. (Personally, I think the guy is a quack, but that's just me).

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1. In the previous post, you said you asked why the hospital was upping the numbers, and the answer was "the hospital gets more federal money for a higher number of Covid patients." But then the actual answer is the government is encouraging that in essence so the hospital can take federal money? I suppose the overall ploy could just be to transfer money from the federal government to hospitals, but this arrangement seems muddled to say the least.

2. As I understand it, multiple factors are listed. And then it's a matter of how we're looking at the data. Like we have 60,000 flue deaths a year. Many of those are tied into co-morbidities. Shoot, lots of people's main COD is just being old and having systemic issues. But it comes through as a that particular sort of data in our current situation. 

3. The last part just comes off to me ... I dunno. Like when we ascribe all sorts of feelings and motivations to a football coach without really having a sense of the structure of a play? Like, he's literally one of the most respected people in that field. If he's actually a "quack" but he objectively knows worlds more than any of us about infectious diseases and their spread, then chances are whatever we think is nothing short of impossibly uninformed. 

I'm not an expert, but I think the concern there is that our skin is covered in all sorts of beneficial bacteria. If you're constantly trying to wash that off with antibacterial soap, you may end up getting rid of stuff you need in the desire to rid yourself of the stuff that can harm you.

I understand this is another downside of overprescribing antibiotics. Your GI tract is FULL of bacteria, and that's a good thing. Chronic overuse of antibiotics can really mess up your GI system by killing off too much of the good stuff.

You get something called C-diff which is both unpleasant and gross. And the perscrption is often a fecal transplant, which is an actual medical procedure because the world is weird. 

Well, ya gotta remember it's a state of 40M people. All it takes is a couple hundred thousand selfish assholes and you'll fill up the major beaches. And we've got PLENTY of those--California has that reputation as much as being "progressive". Even probably many of them who vote progressive because it's fashionable and it's what all their friends do, but they're not going to pass up a day at the beach because they're young and invincible.

I'm a libertarian and have very little trust in the government, but I think California took this seriously very early and that's part of the reason we don't look like New York right now. Most here in California of my generation are trying to do our best to comply with all these changes in the hopes that doing our best right now will shorten it. And as a result, people like me are PISSED at the morons who decided to go to the beach and are going to ruin it for the rest of us.

From what we have been told by the "experts", sunlight kills the virus. Therefore, shouldn't we encourage people to be outside in the sunshine?

Being outside is good, but of course, with distancing.  If someone is infected and coughs or sneezes, you could come into contact with viable virus before it is killed by sunlight, it's not instantaneous obviously.

My problem with beach photos is the intentional distortion of distancing by using a telephoto lens.  Those groups may be 20 feet apart, and the lens makes them look bunched together.

The beach is a linear park in effect.  

The distancing I see around me has been excellent with very very few exceptions when we walk around the park and the Beltline.

I got a bit annoyed when I went to the butcher shop because there was a group of four on bikes resting just outside the door, and they weren't shopping there.  I told them to move down to where people were not coming in and out of a shop door.  They glared at me, I glared back, they didn't move.

That was stupid.  People were having to navigate through their cluster to get inside the shop.  Idiots.