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utee94 · « **Reply #15862 on:** October 16, 2021, 08:14:49 PM »

Quote from: Honestbuckeye on October 16, 2021, 08:09:25 PM

That was my better half- for the longest time. She just doesn’t react well to shots.
I finally got her converted a couple months back.

Great news HB!

Honestbuckeye · « **Reply #15863 on:** October 19, 2021, 06:26:55 AM »

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/nation/coronavirus/2021/10/19/michigan-among-states-rising-covid-cases-again-what-know/8512266002/?utm_source=detroitnews-Daily%20Briefing&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=daily_briefing&utm_term=list_article_thumb&utm_content=1008DN-E-NLETTER65

Interesting. Vermont- A state with one of the highest vaccination rates, is now seeing a faster increase in cases than other states. Turns out there is seasonality to this as this article points out. At least that’s the new “spin“.

Also, covid deaths in 2021 have surpassed deaths in 2020. When you think about when the vaccinations became available that’s extremely interesting. I look forward to discovering what the new “spin“ will be on that.

utee94 · « **Reply #15864 on:** October 19, 2021, 08:06:39 AM »

Quote from: Honestbuckeye on October 19, 2021, 06:26:55 AM

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/nation/coronavirus/2021/10/19/michigan-among-states-rising-covid-cases-again-what-know/8512266002/?utm_source=detroitnews-Daily%20Briefing&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=daily_briefing&utm_term=list_article_thumb&utm_content=1008DN-E-NLETTER65

Interesting. Vermont- A state with one of the highest vaccination rates, is now seeing a faster increase in cases than other states. Turns out there is seasonality to this as this article points out. At least that’s the new “spin“.

Also, covid deaths in 2021 have surpassed deaths in 2020. When you think about when the vaccinations became available that’s extremely interesting. I look forward to discovering what the new “spin“ will be on that.

Not sure there's any spin to be had. Most everyone expected seasonality with this thing. Perhaps folks didn't understand that in this case, seasonality coincides not with the astronomical season, but when people in a certain geographical area start spending more time indoors with one another.

And the fact that the vast majority of COVID deaths in 2021 are unvaccinated, really needs no spin at all. It crystalizes the current ongoing issue quite clearly IMO.

bayareabadger · « **Reply #15865 on:** October 19, 2021, 08:27:15 AM »

Quote from: Honestbuckeye on October 19, 2021, 06:26:55 AM

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/nation/coronavirus/2021/10/19/michigan-among-states-rising-covid-cases-again-what-know/8512266002/?utm_source=detroitnews-Daily%20Briefing&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=daily_briefing&utm_term=list_article_thumb&utm_content=1008DN-E-NLETTER65

Interesting. Vermont- A state with one of the highest vaccination rates, is now seeing a faster increase in cases than other states. Turns out there is seasonality to this as this article points out. At least that’s the new “spin“.

Also, covid deaths in 2021 have surpassed deaths in 2020. When you think about when the vaccinations became available that’s extremely interesting. I look forward to discovering what the new “spin“ will be on that.

We are a pretty cynical people these days. And an overriding element of that cynicism is to apply it in the moment to get to the point where we can cast some sort of undefinable doubt on something, implying a level of malevolence, and leaving it there. It's a pretty universal thing, and I'm sure I'm often guilty of it.

What do you think the spin free reality is? Do you think there might be a pretty ironclad logic for why those particular numbers came to be? (Personally, it seems to me we're dealing with a question of a much tighter scope, but we can get to that later)

MaximumSam · « **Reply #15866 on:** October 19, 2021, 08:42:08 AM »

I don't know that any of this is particularly surprising. COVID was around in 2020, but didn't really hit all the United States until the last few months of the year. Compared to all of 2021. We will see and continue to see rising cases for as long as we test for them. The vaccine tends to give short term benefits on avoiding infection and long term benefits of avoiding harsh outcomes.

Honestbuckeye · « **Reply #15867 on:** October 19, 2021, 08:49:02 AM »

Quote from: utee94 on October 19, 2021, 08:06:39 AM

Not sure there's any spin to be had. Most everyone expected seasonality with this thing. Perhaps folks didn't understand that in this case, seasonality coincides not with the astronomical season, but when people in a certain geographical area start spending more time indoors with one another.

And the fact that the vast majority of COVID deaths in 2021 are unvaccinated, really needs no spin at all. It crystalizes the current ongoing issue quite clearly IMO.

Your stating facts.

I was talking spin.
no need to say anything more since that would take this to different thread. Suffice it to say, spikes earlier this year in different places were NOT attributed to seasonality. And you know exactly what I mean.

Honestbuckeye · « **Reply #15868 on:** October 19, 2021, 08:50:39 AM »

Quote from: bayareabadger on October 19, 2021, 08:27:15 AM

We are a pretty cynical people these days. And an overriding element of that cynicism is to apply it in the moment to get to the point where we can cast some sort of undefinable doubt on something, implying a level of malevolence, and leaving it there. It's a pretty universal thing, and I'm sure I'm often guilty of it.

What do you think the spin free reality is? Do you think there might be a pretty ironclad logic for why those particular numbers came to be? (Personally, it seems to me we're dealing with a question of a much tighter scope, but we can get to that later)

Exactly. And what I posted is a response to those who “ applied it in the moment”.

Honestbuckeye · « **Reply #15869 on:** October 19, 2021, 08:54:17 AM »

Quote from: MaximumSam on October 19, 2021, 08:42:08 AM

I don't know that any of this is particularly surprising. COVID was around in 2020, but didn't really hit all the United States until the last few months of the year. Compared to all of 2021. We will see and continue to see rising cases for as long as we test for them. The vaccine tends to give short term benefits on avoiding infection and long term benefits of avoiding harsh outcomes.

Wow. Ok. I just remember the death counts in 2020, and where blame was being placed- specifically- all throughout 2020 and especially right around early November.

Vaccine rolls out late 30 and early 21, but now a completely different spin.

I just find it amusing.

Mdot21 · « **Reply #15870 on:** October 19, 2021, 09:37:02 AM »

data being released by UK gov't showing that over 70% of all COVID deaths in that country are from the fully vaccinated. Roughly 60% of the UK is full vaccinated. For fksake Colin Powell was fully vaccinated and he just died of COVID related complications couple days ago.

Studies in Israel say that covid vaccines are only 39% effective at preventing infection (transmission). Israel is dealing with a huge COVID surge despite being one of the most heavily fully vaccinated countries in the world.

A Harvard study just published a couple weeks ago has shown that increases in new COVID-19 infections are unrelated to levels of vaccination across 68 countries and 2947 counties in the United States.

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10654-021-00808-7

translation: these vaccines are the best we got- but they still basically suck. covid isn't ever going away. these vaccines are not effective at preventing infection and therefore stopping transmission dead in it's tracks- all they can ever do is maybe slow down transmission and make symptoms less severe. there will continually new variants and there ain't shit we can do about it.

BTW another study also showed that young boys aged 12 to 15, with no underlying medical conditions, were four to six times more likely to be diagnosed with vaccine-related myocarditis (enlarged heart) from the Pfizer vaccine than they were from being unvaccinated and ending up in the hospital with Covid. And btw- 86% of the Pfizer vaccine-related myocarditis in the boys aged 12-15 required hospitalization. 86%. You know how many COVID cases in children worldwide have required hospitalization? Less than 2%.

There are just a shit load of unknowns still. This disease is weird and the solution probably isn't just to vaccinate every single person in the world regardless of age. Children are virtually unaffected by this disease. Their risk of death or even hospitalization is virtually non-existent.

longhorn320 · « **Reply #15871 on:** October 19, 2021, 09:49:20 AM »

Quote from: Mdot21 on October 19, 2021, 09:37:02 AM

data being released by UK gov't showing that over 70% of all COVID deaths in that country are from the fully vaccinated. Roughly 60% of the UK is full vaccinated. For fksake Colin Powell was fully vaccinated and he just died of COVID related complications couple days ago.

this is very misleading because the actual death count is way down from prevaccinated days

Colin Powell was 84 years old with a preexisting heart condition

Mdot21 · « **Reply #15872 on:** October 19, 2021, 10:03:36 AM »

Quote from: longhorn320 on October 19, 2021, 09:49:20 AM

this is very misleading because the actual death count is way down from prevaccinated days

Colin Powell was 84 years old with a preexisting heart condition

Yeah- and it could also be that the pre-vaccinated days already burned through and killed off the most vulnerable who were going to die anyway. Remember- 50% of all COVID deaths pre-vaccine were grampy and grammy at the nursing home 75+ up with pre-existing conditions/co-morbidities like the now deceased war criminal Colin Powell.

longhorn320 · « **Reply #15873 on:** October 19, 2021, 10:11:29 AM »

Quote from: Mdot21 on October 19, 2021, 10:03:36 AM

Yeah- and it could also be that the pre-vaccinated days already burned through and killed off the most vulnerable who were going to die anyway. Remember- 50% of all COVID deaths pre-vaccine were grampy and grammy at the nursing home 75+ up with pre-existing conditions/co-morbidities like the now deceased war criminal Colin Powell.

nope all the old people were not killed off

The fact remains that data so far shows that the number of break through cases is aprox a half of one percent

and of those only one tenth of one percent are hospitalized

you are way over stepping when you say the vaccine is not effective at preventing catching covid

longhorn320 · « **Reply #15874 on:** October 19, 2021, 10:13:18 AM »

I have no problem with not vaccinating the very young as it may do more harm then good

CatsbyAZ · « **Reply #15875 on:** October 19, 2021, 10:24:57 AM »

Quote from: Cincydawg on August 20, 2021, 08:28:37 AM

No new trends worldwide, UK MAY be on an upswing, oddly, while Spain is clearly dropping. More data I don't understand.

With any luck Florida has peaked. Hospitals around here are in OK shape.

Regarding daily Covid case rates remaining steadily high across the UK, an article from the Guardian last week delved into the British public’s dispiritedly decreasing alarm toward Covid’s continuing circulation through the national population.

“We’re in a phase where we still have large numbers of people dying from this disease,” said Linda Bauld, professor of public health at the University of Edinburgh. “But it has gone into the background. We’ve become used to something that has not gone away. I think there’s been a desensitisation to the mortality.”

“As a disease shifts from an initial pandemic phase to an endemic illness, the data curves outlining its spread become less precipitous. And psychologists say this steady stream of daily deaths – although the UK is now on an upwards trajectory – tends to feel less alarming than the rises we witnessed in the first year of the pandemic.”

"However, there is disagreement even among health professionals about what an acceptable “steady state” would be for Covid. “Some still support a zero Covid model, with an aim of having no cases, while others are accepting of the current situation, in which we have about 40,000 cases,” said Andrew Goddard, president of the Royal College of Physicians. “We have all accepted – doctors included – 10,000 deaths from flu each year so this tells us much about what we might accept with regard to Covid, although the impact on the most deprived parts of society and on certain ethnic minorities may reduce tolerance for such levels.”

"To some, the lack of public reaction to the ongoing death rate is bewildering. “It feels very surreal that we are just accepting the current infection rates. No one is making a fuss about it, but well over 100 people are dying every day due to Covid,” said Kit Yates, a senior lecturer in mathematics at the University of Bath."

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/oct/15/why-britons-are-tolerating-sky-high-covid-rates-and-why-this-may-not-last

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