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utee94

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #15876 on: October 19, 2021, 10:29:46 AM »
data being released by UK gov't showing that over 70% of all COVID deaths in that country are from the fully vaccinated.
Yer gonna have to show your work on this one.  Link to credible source, please.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #15877 on: October 19, 2021, 10:30:36 AM »
Interesting.  Vermont- A state with one of the highest vaccination rates, is now seeing a faster increase in cases than other states.  Turns out there is seasonality to this as this article points out.  At least that’s the new “spin“. 

Also, covid deaths in 2021 have  surpassed deaths in 2020.  When you think about when the vaccinations became available that’s extremely interesting.  I look forward to discovering what the new “spin“ will be on that. 
Ok here's the "spin":


1. Cases, as we've been saying for months since the vax has been out, are no longer anywhere near as meaningful of a statistic as they once were. Cases used to be a 3-week prediction into death rates. That has not borne out post-vax (at least for the vaccinated portion of the population). So while Delta is a bit of a monster when it comes to transmissibility, it kills the vaccinated at a MUCH lower rate than the unvaccinated. So we should be looking at hospitalizations/deaths, rather than cases.

2. Also not that surprising. Attached is the graph of daily deaths in the US. The holiday surge was massive, but its midpoint was AFTER January 1. Vaccines started being available for some people in Dec/Jan, then healthcare workers and the elderly, and most of the population didn't really have access in this country until somewhere in the April->June quarter. In 2020 we had social distancing, masks, people being careful, etc. Now with the vax we have basically stopped all of that in most places, which means that the vaxxed are fine going back to "normal" and the unvaxxed are dying in large numbers. Behavior is one component, vaccination is another, and right now we've got back to pre-pandemic behavior while some states are still <50% vaxxed. 




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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #15878 on: October 19, 2021, 10:33:20 AM »
Regarding daily Covid case rates remaining steadily high across the UK, an article from the Guardian last week delved into the British public’s dispiritedly decreasing alarm toward Covid’s continuing circulation through the national population.

“We’re in a phase where we still have large numbers of people dying from this disease,” said Linda Bauld, professor of public health at the University of Edinburgh. “But it has gone into the background. We’ve become used to something that has not gone away. I think there’s been a desensitisation to the mortality.”

“As a disease shifts from an initial pandemic phase to an endemic illness, the data curves outlining its spread become less precipitous. And psychologists say this steady stream of daily deaths – although the UK is now on an upwards trajectory – tends to feel less alarming than the rises we witnessed in the first year of the pandemic.”

"However, there is disagreement even among health professionals about what an acceptable “steady state” would be for Covid. “Some still support a zero Covid model, with an aim of having no cases, while others are accepting of the current situation, in which we have about 40,000 cases,” said Andrew Goddard, president of the Royal College of Physicians. “We have all accepted – doctors included – 10,000 deaths from flu each year so this tells us much about what we might accept with regard to Covid, although the impact on the most deprived parts of society and on certain ethnic minorities may reduce tolerance for such levels.”

"To some, the lack of public reaction to the ongoing death rate is bewildering. “It feels very surreal that we are just accepting the current infection rates. No one is making a fuss about it, but well over 100 people are dying every day due to Covid,” said Kit Yates, a senior lecturer in mathematics at the University of Bath."


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/oct/15/why-britons-are-tolerating-sky-high-covid-rates-and-why-this-may-not-last




That graph is misleading AF...

They're trying to scare people with that graph, whereas the attached shows a different story altogether. 

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #15879 on: October 19, 2021, 10:39:15 AM »
That graph is misleading AF...

They're trying to scare people with that graph, whereas the attached shows a different story altogether.
my point exactly

not sure why anyone would want to paint a picture of gloom when there is some very encouraging signs
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #15880 on: October 19, 2021, 10:40:56 AM »
That graph is misleading AF...

They're trying to scare people with that graph, whereas the attached shows a different story altogether.
Ah, okay, I get it. 

Now I could see why over 70% of deaths in the UK are among the vaccinated.  That's a terribly misleading statistic, because their population is already pretty well vaccinated.

The death rate versus cases is miniscule compared to the pre-vax numbers of this pandemic.  That's the correct statistic to be using and proves even more clearly how well the vax is working at preventing serious illness and death.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #15881 on: October 19, 2021, 10:48:48 AM »
Ok here's the "spin":


1. Cases, as we've been saying for months since the vax has been out, are no longer anywhere near as meaningful of a statistic as they once were. Cases used to be a 3-week prediction into death rates. That has not borne out post-vax (at least for the vaccinated portion of the population). So while Delta is a bit of a monster when it comes to transmissibility, it kills the vaccinated at a MUCH lower rate than the unvaccinated. So we should be looking at hospitalizations/deaths, rather than cases.

2. Also not that surprising. Attached is the graph of daily deaths in the US. The holiday surge was massive, but its midpoint was AFTER January 1. Vaccines started being available for some people in Dec/Jan, then healthcare workers and the elderly, and most of the population didn't really have access in this country until somewhere in the April->June quarter. In 2020 we had social distancing, masks, people being careful, etc. Now with the vax we have basically stopped all of that in most places, which means that the vaxxed are fine going back to "normal" and the unvaxxed are dying in large numbers. Behavior is one component, vaccination is another, and right now we've got back to pre-pandemic behavior while some states are still <50% vaxxed.




Oh….. so it not someone’s fault who is an elected official???  I get it now.  Wow.  So different than what was POUNDED into our heads everyday for a year, and again recently when there were spikes in “ certain” states. 

Deaths are scientifically explained?  Not just in certain locations? US Deaths are not the fault of certain elected officials anymore like they were in 2020, even though they are higher now?

Well… so convenient. 
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #15882 on: October 19, 2021, 10:51:22 AM »
Oh….. so it not someone’s fault who is an elected official???  I get it now.  Wow.  So different than what was POUNDED into our heads everyday for a year, and again recently when there were spikes in “ certain” states. 

Deaths are scientifically explained?  Not just in certain locations? US Deaths are not the fault of certain elected officials anymore like they were in 2020, even though they are higher now?

Well… so convenient. 
Stick to policy discussion please.  There are ways to state your point of view, without this kind of stuff.  And you're smart enough to know it.  Simply trying to bash "the other team" isn't welcome on this thread.  And you're smart enough to know that, too.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #15883 on: October 19, 2021, 11:11:47 AM »
but, OU Sucks is always correct
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #15884 on: October 19, 2021, 11:12:34 AM »
but, OU Sucks is always correct
amen, brutha

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #15885 on: October 19, 2021, 11:14:25 AM »
You mean OU even sucks on this thread?

Man thats a high magnitude of sucking.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #15886 on: October 19, 2021, 11:16:48 AM »
ou always sucks, on this thread and all others, now and forevermore.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #15887 on: October 19, 2021, 11:25:09 AM »
OU sucking is as certain as the sun rising in the east. 

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #15888 on: October 19, 2021, 11:49:18 AM »
Stick to policy discussion please.  There are ways to state your point of view, without this kind of stuff.  And you're smart enough to know it.  Simply trying to bash "the other team" isn't welcome on this thread.  And you're smart enough to know that, too.
So media messaging around the data is off base- as this has nothing to do with policy?  

if you read me as trying to bash the other team- that is complete misread.  in this regard I don’t have a team 

It’s more- let’s be really transparent about the data and what is driving it. 
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #15889 on: October 19, 2021, 12:16:21 PM »
It’s more- let’s be really transparent about the data and what is driving it.
most of us would like this, but it's obviously not going to happen.
Too many agendas

this was the case before the pandemic and unfortunately will be the case going forward as far as I can tell 
in other words, being transparent regarding data doesn't happen with any types of data, it's not just COVID or vaccines or pandemics

it's that all data is manipulated to support agendas
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