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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13664 on: May 10, 2021, 09:54:18 AM »
but, it's still a great idea and goal

such as cutting carbon emissions 
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13665 on: May 10, 2021, 09:56:42 AM »
but, it's still a great idea and goal

such as cutting carbon emissions

Sure.  Lofty goals always look great on paper.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13666 on: May 10, 2021, 10:12:37 AM »
but, it's great fun to shame the anti-vaxxers 
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13667 on: May 10, 2021, 10:32:02 AM »
I guess.  I don't really take much joy in noting the stupidity of others.  It generally just makes me sad.


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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13668 on: May 10, 2021, 10:33:46 AM »
Many haven't got the vax for various reasons and it isn't just to be disageeable
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13669 on: May 10, 2021, 10:49:51 AM »
various reasons or various good reasons?

the folks I know that haven't taken the shot for a good reason, have all had COVID.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13670 on: May 10, 2021, 10:52:21 AM »
but, it's great fun to shame the anti-vaxxers
All anti-vaxers aren't the same.
If someone is wary of a new vaccine because we haven't had the opportunity to run long-term studies on it, that's one thing.  
If someone holds the opinion of Jenny McCarthy over the entirety of science, then that's another.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13671 on: May 10, 2021, 11:00:00 AM »
Pretty sure no one would take Jenny McCarthy's word on Putt-Putt or pickled Herring
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13672 on: May 10, 2021, 11:00:32 AM »
The risk of this happening in the USA among scores of millions of unvaccinated Americans, is far FAR less than the risk of this happening elsewhere in the world where there will be BILLIONS of unvaccinated people for a very long time.  And if the mutation is virulent and infectious enough to work around the current vaccines, then it's going to make its way back into the USA quite easily, as more Americans begin traveling again, and more outsiders begin coming into the USA once again.

In other words, it's pretty much irrelevant whether or not enough Americans get the vaccine to push us to herd immunity, from the standpoint of avoiding dangerous mutations.

There are obviously plenty of other reasons for Americans to get vaccinated, not the least of which is avoiding getting sick. 
Obviously it doesn't matter whether the unvaccinated population is in America or in the third-world. Virus don't care.

But we should be encouraging everyone, everywhere, to get the vaccine... And once rollout occurs in the developed world, it's good policy to do anything we can to assist the third world in getting the vaccines too. In one sense it's the compassionate human thing to do; in another it's helping to reduce the risk of some strain developing there which gets around the vaccines and comes back to haunt us.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13673 on: May 10, 2021, 11:02:55 AM »
Obviously it doesn't matter whether the unvaccinated population is in America or in the third-world. Virus don't care.
It terrifies me how many people aren't understanding this.
I specified it from day one that leaving it to the states to decide what to do was asinine because a virus knows no borders.  
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13674 on: May 10, 2021, 11:03:41 AM »
All anti-vaxers aren't the same.
If someone is wary of a new vaccine because we haven't had the opportunity to run long-term studies on it, that's one thing. 
If someone holds the opinion of Jenny McCarthy over the entirety of science, then that's another.



Completely agree.

On another board I frequent, there's a raging debate over whether or not parents should be vaccinating their sub-13-year-old kids.  Some parents that are happy to get the vaccine for themselves and assume whatever risks there might be, because they are likely lower risks than getting COVID itself, are hesitant to vaccinate their young children.  

The truth is that it IS a new vaccine that was fast-tracked, and the Moderna and Pfizer ARE new vaccine technologies where we just don't have any long term data to tell us what the effects might be, even on adults, much less children whose bodies are still growing and changing rapidly at those ages.

And because the risks of serious harm from COVID for young children are low, plus the risks of them transmitting the virus to others are also low, the case for vaccinating them is not quite as compelling, even compared to other viruses like flu which are more harmful to children than COVID has been, thus far.

My kids are 13 and 11 and after a discussion with their doctors, I'll get them vaccinated when they are eligible.  But if my kids were 6 or 8?  I'd likely pause and wait for more data.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13675 on: May 10, 2021, 11:14:36 AM »
It terrifies me how many people aren't understanding this.
I specified it from day one that leaving it to the states to decide what to do was asinine because a virus knows no borders. 

You're hardly the world wide leader on that,pretty much anyone recognizes imaginary boundries or the laws laid down with in won't stop the wrath of.....the CCP
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13676 on: May 10, 2021, 11:28:34 AM »

If someone is wary of a new vaccine because we haven't had the opportunity to run long-term studies on it, that's one thing. 


I understand this.  I certainly hope there aren't a large percentage of paranoid folks out there.

A better consistent message with more education regarding the vaccines might help.  But, for some folks, they are just afraid.

Some folks are also afraid of the Virus, or Bats, or spiders.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #13677 on: May 10, 2021, 12:29:13 PM »
It terrifies me how many people aren't understanding this.
I specified it from day one that leaving it to the states to decide what to do was asinine because a virus knows no borders. 

Its a state matter by law

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