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Topic: SOC 12/1-12/2 CCG Edition

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utee94

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Re: SOC 12/1-12/2 CCG Edition
« Reply #784 on: December 08, 2023, 12:04:09 PM »
.22 long rifle - rabbits and all other rodents (squirrels, gophers, ground hogs, rats), varmints (pests) feral cats, skunks, opossum, fox, badgers, weasels, stray dogs and cats.

and birds and reptiles



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Re: SOC 12/1-12/2 CCG Edition
« Reply #785 on: December 08, 2023, 12:21:59 PM »
.22 long rifle - rabbits and all other rodents (squirrels, gophers, ground hogs, rats), varmints (pests) feral cats, skunks, opossum, fox, badgers, weasels, stray dogs and cats.

and birds and reptiles

I'd never shoot Badger or Gopher with my 22.  Way too likable and good for conversation at the bars.  

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Re: SOC 12/1-12/2 CCG Edition
« Reply #786 on: December 08, 2023, 12:53:10 PM »
Correct for a Badger you might have to go up a caiber say a .223
Don't go to bed with any woman crazier than you. - Frank Zappa

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Re: SOC 12/1-12/2 CCG Edition
« Reply #787 on: December 08, 2023, 12:55:13 PM »
I have a .22, which as far as I know, is only good for hunting wascally wabbits, or something like that.  I'm still in city limits and I'm pretty sure I'm not supposed to use it here.  Although there are some armadillos digging up my back yard of late that are testing my devotion to the law. 
Haha. Don't fire in city limits. There was a guy in our city that fired on a coyote that ran at his family in his backyard, city around a fire pit and he was charged with illegal discharge, which was odd considering the circumstances.

I won't list what's in my safe, but I certainly wasn't a firearm person growing up and my mom was 100% against them, even though my dad is an Army vet. Later in life, I became close with a guy I met through my professional life and we became incredibly close. He's a former special forces, airborn ranger that was a sniper and served two tours in Afghanistan. Needless to say, he forced me to go out to the range a few times and it just became an excuse to spend time with a very good man. 

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Re: SOC 12/1-12/2 CCG Edition
« Reply #788 on: December 08, 2023, 01:21:22 PM »


Which is more dangerous?

SuperMario

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Re: SOC 12/1-12/2 CCG Edition
« Reply #789 on: December 08, 2023, 01:58:06 PM »
[img width=500 height=297.993]https://i.imgur.com/Sx7pthM.png[/img]

Which is more dangerous?
lol.. here's my political response since we talk politics now ;) 

Depends whose hands they are in.

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Re: SOC 12/1-12/2 CCG Edition
« Reply #790 on: December 08, 2023, 02:35:59 PM »
It's really not political, but it's really unrelated to the topic.

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Re: SOC 12/1-12/2 CCG Edition
« Reply #791 on: December 08, 2023, 02:58:06 PM »
It's really not political, but it's really unrelated to the topic.
Elaborate or pm me if best. I’m not following what you’re saying.

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Re: SOC 12/1-12/2 CCG Edition
« Reply #792 on: December 08, 2023, 04:47:35 PM »
I'd never shoot Badger or Gopher with my 22.  Way too likable and good for conversation at the bars. 
Easiest way to kill them is to eliminate divisions

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Re: SOC 12/1-12/2 CCG Edition
« Reply #793 on: December 08, 2023, 04:49:18 PM »
Or stop rowing
Don't go to bed with any woman crazier than you. - Frank Zappa

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Re: SOC 12/1-12/2 CCG Edition
« Reply #794 on: December 08, 2023, 04:54:42 PM »
Or stop rowing
Gophers drown.  Trust me, that's how I eliminated an infestation

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Re: SOC 12/1-12/2 CCG Edition
« Reply #795 on: December 08, 2023, 07:58:09 PM »
A little hard to tell from that picture. Let's first assume that both of these are actually rifles, and not just dummies, and that both are loaded with the rounds they are designed to shoot. 

I'm assuming based on the question that one is a Mini-14 and one is an AR-15, but the bottom one could be one of several M-16 variants as well. Depending on what variant the black one is--whether it's an M16 or M16A1, A2, or a civilian AR-15 will determine whether it is capable of firing full auto (M16 or A1), 3-round burst (A2), or semi-auto (AR-15). I think it's fair to say that a fully-automatic firearm with otherwise the same ballistics as a semi-auto is "more dangerous" (same for a 3-round burst vs. semi-auto.) I believe the Mini-14 was only ever a civilian rifle, so it would necessarily be a semi-auto.

I'll assume that we're talking about a Mini-14 and an AR-15. 

If I'm not mistaken, both fire the same round, the NATO 5.56x45 round, but it could be the .223 Remington--regardless, they are effectively the same. The ballistics of a single round fired will therefore be equal, or at least awfully close to equal. So, again, it's a wash. And both have essentially the same barrel, so effectively the same accuracy. We'll call that a wash. If I'm wrong, and one is more accurate than the other, then that one is marginally more dangerous (depending on how much more accurate it is).

As pictured, the Mini-14 appears to have a 20-round magazine. The AR-15 appears to be pictured with a 30-round magazine, so the person firing it has to reload approximately 50% less frequently if they are going on a shooting spree. That can be pretty significant in a fire fight. (Reloading is--apparently--often when mass-shooters are taken down; that's what happened in Tennessee at that school shooting this year, IIRC.) So I think it's fair to say it's "more dangerous," but only on the basis of the magazine shown. Also, I'm pretty confident you could put that same 30-round magazine in the Mini-14 without any trouble at all.

Additionally, the Mini-14 has iron sights, and a fixed stock. While I'm sure one can mount an optic site on a Mini-14, it isn't as easy as doing so on an AR-15 variant, which has a more functional modular rail system (not sure that's the right terminology, but that's the point). The AR-15 also has iron sights, but, again, it's easier to mount optics on it. The fixed stock makes it harder to modify the Mini-14 to put different grips or a bipod on it, which can improve its stability when firing, but I'm reasonably confident that you can purchase a bipod that will fit that rifle, and you could almost certainly take the rifle to a well-equipped shop that could fit it with a different grip system. Stability matters when shooting, so the ability to easily fit a bipod or different grip system also makes the AR-15 marginally more dangerous, but only in the sense that it is easier for a user to make it a more effective firearm than for the Mini-14--but a committed user of the Mini-14 will still be able to modify it in functionally equivalent ways. 

As pictured, the AR-15 has a bayonet mount, I think. The Mini-14 pictured does not appear to, but I'm pretty sure some Mini-14s do have them, so we'll call that a wash, but if I'm wrong and the Mini-14 cannot mount a bayonet (or at least not without some kind of significant modification, that, again, makes the AR-15 marginally more dangerous).

Overall, I think it's fair to say that the AR-15 is marginally more dangerous than the Mini-14, particularly as pictured with different sized magazines. However, a person on the receiving end of a round fired by one versus the other won't care whether one has a bipod and the other one does not, or one has a larger magazine than the other. The ballistic effect of the round will be the same. And if they receive multiple wounds as a result of the same semi-auto rate of fire (which they both have)--again--they won't care about the marginal differences I've pointed out.

CD, Was that what you were looking for? :-)

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Re: SOC 12/1-12/2 CCG Edition
« Reply #796 on: December 08, 2023, 09:52:23 PM »
Gophers drown.  Trust me, that's how I eliminated an infestation
Well PJ's still rowing
Don't go to bed with any woman crazier than you. - Frank Zappa

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Re: SOC 12/1-12/2 CCG Edition
« Reply #797 on: December 09, 2023, 08:21:25 AM »
CD, Was that what you were looking for? :-)
Basically.  Folks focus on the AR-15 "style" of rifle when rifles of any kind are rarely used in gun crimes for obvious reasons.  And rifles with similar lethality to the "AR-15" are not considered "assault rifles" and would still be available in any "ban".

But they look scary.

It's sort of a metaphor, for me, about how too many folks approach problems.  

I came across a fellow down on all fours looking for something in downtown Cincinnati once at Maple and Fourth. I asked what he was doing.

"Looking for my glasses"  So, I proceeded to help him.  "Where were you when you discovered they were lost?"

"Oh, one Walnut and Sixth".

"Why aren't you looking there?"

"The light is much better here."

 

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