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MrNubbz

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Re: Slow RBs
« Reply #14 on: July 12, 2019, 08:30:40 AM »
Quote from: Anonymous Coward on July 11, 2019, 05:49:20 PM
Mike Hart is still by far my favorite Michigan RB.
Mine Too!!! ;D



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Re: Slow RBs
« Reply #15 on: July 12, 2019, 08:35:17 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on July 11, 2019, 06:47:38 PM
Some guys have great vision, some are very shifty (Knowshon Moreno was not very fast), some guys are very powerful, 
Archie Griffin seemed like that not flat out sprinters speed but great balance,quick,shifty
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Re: Slow RBs
« Reply #16 on: July 12, 2019, 09:46:07 AM »
Earl Campbell?  
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Re: Slow RBs
« Reply #17 on: July 12, 2019, 09:54:48 AM »
Leroy Hoard

If you need 1 yard, I'll get you 3. If you need 5 I'll get you 3.
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Re: Slow RBs
« Reply #18 on: July 12, 2019, 10:02:59 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on July 12, 2019, 09:46:07 AM
Earl Campbell? 
Lots of highlights of him breaking long runs, even with smaller guys chasing him and not catching him.  Even in the NFL.  I'd cerrtainly take Campbell over a Rodney Hampton in a race.
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Re: Slow RBs
« Reply #19 on: July 12, 2019, 10:11:20 AM »
Shonn Greene was probably the best RB in the KF era at Iowa, and he wasn't all that fast.  I think he timed a 4.55 in the '09 combine.

Penn State's Saquon Barkley was very similar in size to Greene, but had a very strong 4.40.
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Re: Slow RBs
« Reply #20 on: July 12, 2019, 10:20:40 AM »
I think Earl C. was the first big man with speed, that I can recall.  I remember watching him high step breaking tackles and then running the distance, so I agree he had some speed.  
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Re: Slow RBs
« Reply #21 on: July 12, 2019, 10:34:10 AM »
Saw Earl play at old Cleveland Stadium.The Browns at the time had a LB Robert Jackson from TA&M who was a 1st rd pick.They played against each other in college.And Jackson was one of the few who could stop Earl,the secret was getting to him fast before he got a head of steam.Otherwise forget it.Unfortunately Jackson ripped up his knees and was only around for 5 years
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Re: Slow RBs
« Reply #22 on: July 12, 2019, 10:54:44 AM »
Earl caused much damage to opposing LBs knees
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Re: Slow RBs
« Reply #23 on: July 12, 2019, 10:58:11 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on July 11, 2019, 06:27:04 PM
http://bluenatic.blogspot.com/2008/04/remembering-rodney.html

Says Hampton had a 4.65 40 time.  I think some of these guys were relatively faster in pads than some 4.5 safety running in shorts having to play in pads.
I think this is a key and it is harder to quantify objectively.  In theory it should favor bigger guys because the added weight (pads and etc) would be a lower percentage of their body weight but I'm not sure how that plays out in actual games.  
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Re: Slow RBs
« Reply #24 on: July 12, 2019, 11:28:30 AM »
The "with pads" thing is something you get if you played football for a number of years.  
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When you first play tackle football, everything you wear seems like an obstacle.  The 4-5 lb helmet on your head feels heavy.  The facemask is in the way of your vision, the shoulder pads restrict your arm movements, etc.  Even the knee pads drooping if your have ill-fitting pants slow you down.  

As you play more and more, you get used to all of it, and some get used to it more or better than others.  I knew guys in HS who still tilted their head back to look out below their facemasks.  They never got comfortable with it.

So the guys who seem to "play fast" with pads on are simply the ones most comfortable out there.  Their facemask no longer affects their vision, or perceived vision.  They're used to the mobility restrictions and have had plenty of opportunities to work around it with confidence.  They're the ones sure to get the right pants/pads/etc so they feel fast, and it's no longer a concern.
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Re: Slow RBs
« Reply #25 on: July 12, 2019, 12:12:27 PM »
Mike Hart probably ran 4.75 on a good day. Slow as dirt for a RB, but to this day still one of the best college RBs I think I’ve ever seen. Complete back that could catch and block, think he fumbled once or twice in his entire career, and he had that nose for the end zone. When he was close to the goal line, he was getting TD’s. Really just the perfect college RB.

De’Veon Smith and Brandon Minor were pretty damn slow too. And they were probably the best RBs that Michigan had post Hart. Shows just how bad the RB position was at Michigan for years. That was until Karan Higdon had a breakout year of sorts in 2017 and followed it up with a better 2018. Higdon wasn’t a blazer by any means but his 4.49 he posted at the NFL combine definitely ain’t slow.
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Re: Slow RBs
« Reply #26 on: July 12, 2019, 12:54:08 PM »
shaun alexander wasn't that slow. he wasn't a burner, but he wasn't a 4.7 guy either. he just had a long/low stride that was deceptive.

darby is a good example of a rb with more quickness than speed.

shaud williams is another one. true 4.7 guy, but had 900+ in 02 taking over for injured starter and 1300+ yards the next season as starter. somewhat ironically, the most memorable play from shaud was the first play from scrimmage vs arky in 2002. this 80 yard burst up the middle (about 30 seconds in)
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Re: Slow RBs
« Reply #27 on: July 12, 2019, 01:05:02 PM »
Holyfield of course hurt his draft position with a slow 40 time.  I thought pretty highly of him as a running back.  He had the speed to get outside against at least some teams fairly often and would bounce it if the hole was not there.  I think he'll do OK in the NFL.
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