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Topic: Schools where players at certain positions go to thrive

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Re: Schools where players at certain positions go to thrive
« Reply #14 on: May 23, 2020, 02:30:41 PM »
I'd say that Purdue is great at developing WRs.
Minnie is really good at this too.
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Re: Schools where players at certain positions go to thrive
« Reply #15 on: May 23, 2020, 03:18:32 PM »
Wisconsin's TE run was pretty good, but I didn't realize how low-key very good Miami's was. Stanford could contend there too.

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Re: Schools where players at certain positions go to thrive
« Reply #16 on: May 23, 2020, 03:35:21 PM »
I'd say that Purdue is great at developing WRs.
You'd think so... But in the last 20 years, we've only had 2 drafted, and they were only 5th rounders. Neither hung around the league long at all.

I never understood why Purdue under Tiller couldn't recruit top-flight WRs, in that pass-happy offense. 

Obviously things are looking up, recruiting-wise, under Brohm. So hopefully it will get better (if we could get a competent OL to protect a QB long enough to deliver the ball).

Two areas where Purdue thrives...

QB (obviously, it's known as the cradle of QBs)
DE (really only since Tiller, but then we continued on with some players after him as well)

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Re: Schools where players at certain positions go to thrive
« Reply #17 on: May 23, 2020, 08:04:15 PM »
They were.

I can't name one between like 2004-2017 though.

Now it seems like they are amazing at identifying receivers.  I'd like to say they are developing them, but they show up, and are amazing.
True.  I think they will have a pretty strong case for the best wide receivers in the league this year. 

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Re: Schools where players at certain positions go to thrive
« Reply #18 on: May 23, 2020, 10:00:06 PM »
True.  I think they will have a pretty strong case for the best wide receivers in the league this year. 
I think it's an open and shut case

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Re: Schools where players at certain positions go to thrive
« Reply #19 on: May 24, 2020, 03:05:18 AM »
Dare I ask:  are we considering a position group especially strong or good based on All-Americans or draft position?
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Re: Schools where players at certain positions go to thrive
« Reply #20 on: May 24, 2020, 07:54:18 AM »
I think it should be success in the NFL and nothing else.

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Re: Schools where players at certain positions go to thrive
« Reply #21 on: May 24, 2020, 09:05:28 AM »
True.  I think they will have a pretty strong case for the best wide receivers in the league this year. 
I'm not sure. Obviously we've got the best corps of receivers that Purdue has ever had...

But Rondale Moore would have been the 2nd-best WR recruit at OSU in 2018, and barely ahead of Brown and Olave. David Bell would have been the third-best WR recruit at OSU in 2019. OSU has two 5* WR recruits and two high 4* WR recruits coming in for 2020. Purdue's best 2020 WR recruit (Maliq Carr) is classified as a TE by 247, and by recruiting rating is below all 4 of those WR recruits going to OSU.

Now, recruiting rankings aren't everything; I think Rondale Moore dramatically outperformed his recruiting ranking as a true Freshman. But I think if you're looking across a position group, Purdue would be *near* the top of the conference but I don't see them competing with the STARZ at OSU if you really look closely.

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Re: Schools where players at certain positions go to thrive
« Reply #22 on: May 24, 2020, 09:14:14 AM »
Dare I ask:  are we considering a position group especially strong or good based on All-Americans or draft position?
I do think that's a good way to look at some things. If your goal is to find a school where players go to "thrive", being named an All-American is a huge feather in your cap. Draft position is less useful, because some players who are great college players may not fit the NFL mold, but again if you're looking for where they best "thrive", the college system that best develops them to be NFL material has to have an impact. 

There are outliers, of course. A school which goes RB by committee will likely never have the level of individual success necessary to be named All-Americans. Georgia in 2018 had this problem... Splitting the workload between Michel and Chubb ensured neither of them would put up the stats to be an All-American, but Michel was a late 1st round draft pick and Chubb was early 2nd round. Clearly they did thrive. 

In the last 6 drafts, Georgia has had 4 RBs go in the 1st or early 2nd round. Gurley/Chubb/Michel/Swift. I'd say they've been thriving at the RB position. Correspondingly in those same 6 drafts they've had WR, a much deeper position, only produce one 2nd-rounder. I wouldn't say that Georgia is a school where WR will "thrive". 

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Re: Schools where players at certain positions go to thrive
« Reply #23 on: May 24, 2020, 09:45:00 AM »
I consider draft position because that is based on performance in college

considering NFL performance says nothing about NCAA performance
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Re: Schools where players at certain positions go to thrive
« Reply #24 on: May 24, 2020, 09:52:55 AM »
UGA has a decent system for using two running backs as almost coequals.  And it could help their "legs" longer term.  Chubb is second in the SEC in rushing yardage career despite that bad injury and sharing time with Michel and Gurley.

He's my favorite NFL player, really a class guy.

The Dawgs may have another junior RB this year who leaves early and is first or upper second round pick in Zamir White.


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Re: Schools where players at certain positions go to thrive
« Reply #25 on: May 24, 2020, 09:54:21 AM »
I consider draft position because that is based on performance in college

considering NFL performance says nothing about NCAA performance
The only point of contention there is that draft position is based on a lot more than performance in college. 

Take Purdue WRs from the early 2000s, John Standeford and Taylor Stubblefield. Neither were drafted. John Standeford set the Big Ten completions and yardage records by his senior year. The next year Stubblefield beat the completions record--and beat the NCAA career completions record, as well as owning Purdue's single-season receiving TD record that year. 

That's where you run into problems by including draft position. Both players thrived, but neither had the athleticism or body to be exciting to NFL GMs, so neither were drafted.

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Re: Schools where players at certain positions go to thrive
« Reply #26 on: May 24, 2020, 09:58:19 AM »
agreed

a great 40 time at the combine is worth more than career records in college
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Re: Schools where players at certain positions go to thrive
« Reply #27 on: May 24, 2020, 02:39:11 PM »
I consider draft position because that is based on performance in college

Ehhh, maybe like 50% of it.  
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