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Title: Schools where players at certain positions go to thrive
Post by: Mdot21 on May 22, 2020, 10:12:17 PM
QB: Oklahoma
Honorable Mention: Ohio State

RB: Ohio State
Honorable Mention: Alabama

WR: Alabama
Honorable Mention: Oklahoma

TE: Notre Dame
Honorable Mention: Miami-FL

OL: Alabama
Honorable Mention: Wisconsin

DL: Clemson
Honorable Mention: Ohio State

LB: LSU
Honorable Mention: Michigan

DB: Ohio State
Honorable Mention: LSU
Title: Re: Schools where players at certain positions go to thrive
Post by: Cincydawg on May 22, 2020, 10:15:43 PM
Which school has the most starting running backs in the League right now?
Title: Re: Schools where players at certain positions go to thrive
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on May 22, 2020, 10:56:12 PM
I like the lack of context.  
Based on?
Time frame?
Title: Re: Schools where players at certain positions go to thrive
Post by: MrNubbz on May 23, 2020, 07:21:15 AM
Based on surpassing your previous efforts
Title: Re: Schools where players at certain positions go to thrive
Post by: 847badgerfan on May 23, 2020, 07:49:00 AM
I think running backs and linebackers and offensive linemen go to UW to thrive.

There are lots of each on NFL rosters too.
Title: Re: Schools where players at certain positions go to thrive
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on May 23, 2020, 09:15:29 AM
Some schools are RB U or DB U.

OSU is NFL U.
Title: Re: Schools where players at certain positions go to thrive
Post by: Cincydawg on May 23, 2020, 09:20:34 AM
This is the start of 2019, roster players in NFL by college:


[th]FBS SCHOOL[/th]
[th]PLAYERS[/th]
Alabama56
Ohio State45
Florida35
Miami (Fla.)34
LSU32
Florida State32
Oklahoma31
Georgia29
Penn State28
Texas A&M28
Clemson27
Wisconsin26
Auburn26
Stanford25
Notre Dame25
Washington25
Tennessee24

Title: Re: Schools where players at certain positions go to thrive
Post by: 847badgerfan on May 23, 2020, 10:01:19 AM
I counted 31 for UW last year. I think it's at 40 now, with the draft and UDFA.
Title: Re: Schools where players at certain positions go to thrive
Post by: ELA on May 23, 2020, 10:14:00 AM
At the height of Dantonio, MSU did a really good job of WR and CB.  Maybe an iron sharpens iron situation.
Title: Re: Schools where players at certain positions go to thrive
Post by: Big Beef Tacosupreme on May 23, 2020, 10:49:49 AM
QB: Oklahoma
Honorable Mention: Ohio State

RB: Ohio State
Honorable Mention: Alabama

WR: Alabama
Honorable Mention: Oklahoma

TE: Notre Dame
Honorable Mention: Miami-FL

OL: Alabama
Honorable Mention: Wisconsin

DL: Clemson
Honorable Mention: Ohio State

LB: LSU
Honorable Mention: Michigan

DB: Ohio State
Honorable Mention: LSU
RB isn’t even Ohio State in their own conference. Haha
Title: Re: Schools where players at certain positions go to thrive
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on May 23, 2020, 11:24:36 AM
Athletic trainers and ACL surgeons thrive at Purdue. 
Title: Re: Schools where players at certain positions go to thrive
Post by: Big Beef Tacosupreme on May 23, 2020, 12:24:35 PM
Athletic trainers and ACL surgeons thrive at Purdue.
I'd say that Purdue is great at developing WRs.
Title: Re: Schools where players at certain positions go to thrive
Post by: ELA on May 23, 2020, 12:45:05 PM
I'd say that Purdue is great at developing WRs.
They were.

I can't name one between like 2004-2017 though.

Now it seems like they are amazing at identifying receivers.  I'd like to say they are developing them, but they show up, and are amazing.
Title: Re: Schools where players at certain positions go to thrive
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on May 23, 2020, 02:27:55 PM
Florida's been great at DL and DBs, in the past 10 years.  And having QBs transfer out.
Title: Re: Schools where players at certain positions go to thrive
Post by: 847badgerfan on May 23, 2020, 02:30:41 PM
I'd say that Purdue is great at developing WRs.
Minnie is really good at this too.
Title: Re: Schools where players at certain positions go to thrive
Post by: bayareabadger on May 23, 2020, 03:18:32 PM
Wisconsin's TE run was pretty good, but I didn't realize how low-key very good Miami's was. Stanford could contend there too.
Title: Re: Schools where players at certain positions go to thrive
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on May 23, 2020, 03:35:21 PM
I'd say that Purdue is great at developing WRs.
You'd think so... But in the last 20 years, we've only had 2 drafted, and they were only 5th rounders. Neither hung around the league long at all.

I never understood why Purdue under Tiller couldn't recruit top-flight WRs, in that pass-happy offense. 

Obviously things are looking up, recruiting-wise, under Brohm. So hopefully it will get better (if we could get a competent OL to protect a QB long enough to deliver the ball).

Two areas where Purdue thrives...

QB (obviously, it's known as the cradle of QBs)
DE (really only since Tiller, but then we continued on with some players after him as well)
Title: Re: Schools where players at certain positions go to thrive
Post by: Big Beef Tacosupreme on May 23, 2020, 08:04:15 PM
They were.

I can't name one between like 2004-2017 though.

Now it seems like they are amazing at identifying receivers.  I'd like to say they are developing them, but they show up, and are amazing.
True.  I think they will have a pretty strong case for the best wide receivers in the league this year. 
Title: Re: Schools where players at certain positions go to thrive
Post by: ELA on May 23, 2020, 10:00:06 PM
True.  I think they will have a pretty strong case for the best wide receivers in the league this year. 
I think it's an open and shut case
Title: Re: Schools where players at certain positions go to thrive
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on May 24, 2020, 03:05:18 AM
Dare I ask:  are we considering a position group especially strong or good based on All-Americans or draft position?
Title: Re: Schools where players at certain positions go to thrive
Post by: Cincydawg on May 24, 2020, 07:54:18 AM
I think it should be success in the NFL and nothing else.
Title: Re: Schools where players at certain positions go to thrive
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on May 24, 2020, 09:05:28 AM
True.  I think they will have a pretty strong case for the best wide receivers in the league this year. 
I'm not sure. Obviously we've got the best corps of receivers that Purdue has ever had...

But Rondale Moore would have been the 2nd-best WR recruit at OSU in 2018, and barely ahead of Brown and Olave. David Bell would have been the third-best WR recruit at OSU in 2019. OSU has two 5* WR recruits and two high 4* WR recruits coming in for 2020. Purdue's best 2020 WR recruit (Maliq Carr) is classified as a TE by 247, and by recruiting rating is below all 4 of those WR recruits going to OSU.

Now, recruiting rankings aren't everything; I think Rondale Moore dramatically outperformed his recruiting ranking as a true Freshman. But I think if you're looking across a position group, Purdue would be *near* the top of the conference but I don't see them competing with the STARZ at OSU if you really look closely.
Title: Re: Schools where players at certain positions go to thrive
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on May 24, 2020, 09:14:14 AM
Dare I ask:  are we considering a position group especially strong or good based on All-Americans or draft position?
I do think that's a good way to look at some things. If your goal is to find a school where players go to "thrive", being named an All-American is a huge feather in your cap. Draft position is less useful, because some players who are great college players may not fit the NFL mold, but again if you're looking for where they best "thrive", the college system that best develops them to be NFL material has to have an impact. 

There are outliers, of course. A school which goes RB by committee will likely never have the level of individual success necessary to be named All-Americans. Georgia in 2018 had this problem... Splitting the workload between Michel and Chubb ensured neither of them would put up the stats to be an All-American, but Michel was a late 1st round draft pick and Chubb was early 2nd round. Clearly they did thrive. 

In the last 6 drafts, Georgia has had 4 RBs go in the 1st or early 2nd round. Gurley/Chubb/Michel/Swift. I'd say they've been thriving at the RB position. Correspondingly in those same 6 drafts they've had WR, a much deeper position, only produce one 2nd-rounder. I wouldn't say that Georgia is a school where WR will "thrive". 
Title: Re: Schools where players at certain positions go to thrive
Post by: FearlessF on May 24, 2020, 09:45:00 AM
I consider draft position because that is based on performance in college

considering NFL performance says nothing about NCAA performance
Title: Re: Schools where players at certain positions go to thrive
Post by: Cincydawg on May 24, 2020, 09:52:55 AM
UGA has a decent system for using two running backs as almost coequals.  And it could help their "legs" longer term.  Chubb is second in the SEC in rushing yardage career despite that bad injury and sharing time with Michel and Gurley.

He's my favorite NFL player, really a class guy.

The Dawgs may have another junior RB this year who leaves early and is first or upper second round pick in Zamir White.

Title: Re: Schools where players at certain positions go to thrive
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on May 24, 2020, 09:54:21 AM
I consider draft position because that is based on performance in college

considering NFL performance says nothing about NCAA performance
The only point of contention there is that draft position is based on a lot more than performance in college. 

Take Purdue WRs from the early 2000s, John Standeford and Taylor Stubblefield. Neither were drafted. John Standeford set the Big Ten completions and yardage records by his senior year. The next year Stubblefield beat the completions record--and beat the NCAA career completions record, as well as owning Purdue's single-season receiving TD record that year. 

That's where you run into problems by including draft position. Both players thrived, but neither had the athleticism or body to be exciting to NFL GMs, so neither were drafted.
Title: Re: Schools where players at certain positions go to thrive
Post by: FearlessF on May 24, 2020, 09:58:19 AM
agreed

a great 40 time at the combine is worth more than career records in college
Title: Re: Schools where players at certain positions go to thrive
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on May 24, 2020, 02:39:11 PM
I consider draft position because that is based on performance in college

Ehhh, maybe like 50% of it.  
Title: Re: Schools where players at certain positions go to thrive
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on May 24, 2020, 02:40:24 PM
The only point of contention there is that draft position is based on a lot more than performance in college.

Take Purdue WRs from the early 2000s, John Standeford and Taylor Stubblefield. Neither were drafted. John Standeford set the Big Ten completions and yardage records by his senior year. The next year Stubblefield beat the completions record--and beat the NCAA career completions record, as well as owning Purdue's single-season receiving TD record that year.

That's where you run into problems by including draft position. Both players thrived, but neither had the athleticism or body to be exciting to NFL GMs, so neither were drafted.
Unfortunately for them, if they were coming out now, they'd be 2nd-4th round picks, in an attempt to mimic the Wes Welker slot WR teams employ now.  
Bad timiing.
Title: Re: Schools where players at certain positions go to thrive
Post by: FearlessF on May 24, 2020, 08:20:13 PM
Ehhh, maybe like 50% of it. 
50% is something
NFL career is nothing
Title: Re: Schools where players at certain positions go to thrive
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on May 25, 2020, 08:48:26 AM
Unfortunately for them, if they were coming out now, they'd be 2nd-4th round picks, in an attempt to mimic the Wes Welker slot WR teams employ now. 
Bad timiing.
Standeford was an outside WR. 

Stubblefield *might* have gotten a look, but given that he was clocked at 4.75 on his pro day at Purdue... I'm not sure he excited anyone.
Title: Re: Schools where players at certain positions go to thrive
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on May 25, 2020, 09:03:09 PM
Standeford was an outside WR.

Stubblefield *might* have gotten a look, but given that he was clocked at 4.75 on his pro day at Purdue... I'm not sure he excited anyone.
Was there another long S-named WR at Purdue?  Let me look it up.

Ah, Sutherland.  That's who I was thinking of - him and Stubblefield.
Title: Re: Schools where players at certain positions go to thrive
Post by: Mdot21 on May 26, 2020, 04:05:41 AM
247Sports (https://247sports.com/college/michigan/LongFormArticle/NFL-Draft-edge-prospects-schools-with-most-players-147261150/#147261150_10) has ranked the best schools for every position based on NFL draft.

They started with the EDGE position (which consists of OLB's and DE's only- no DT's) - and Ohio State is #1 and Michigan is #2. They look at the last 5 drafts and assign points based on which round every player is drafted.

1) Ohio State - 6 NFL draft picks (3- 1st rd) - 36 points
2) Michigan - 6 NFL draft picks (2- 1st rd)  - 33 points
3) Alabama - 5 NFL draft picks (0- 1st rd)  - 25 points
T4) Wisconsin - 6 NFL draft picks (1- 1st rd) - 24 points 
T4) Clemson - 4 NFL draft picks (2 - 1st rd) 24 points 
6) Georgia - 4 NFL draft picks (1 - 1st rd) - 20 points
7) Florida State - 3 NFL draft picks (1 - 1st rd) - 17 points
8) Florida - 4 NFL Draft picks (0- 1st rd) - 16 points
9) Penn State - 3 NFL Draft picks (0- 1st rd) - 15 points
10) TCU - 3 NFL draft picks (1- 1st rd) - 14 points
Title: Re: Schools where players at certain positions go to thrive
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on May 26, 2020, 09:23:41 AM
Was there another long S-named WR at Purdue?  Let me look it up.

Ah, Sutherland.  That's who I was thinking of - him and Stubblefield.
Vinny Sutherland ended up getting drafted, but he wasn't like either--he was one of those fast shifty guys who could break one on any play. At the combine he recorded a 4.48. He ended up spending a little time in the league as PR/KR, but never really found himself a home anywhere at WR.
Title: Re: Schools where players at certain positions go to thrive
Post by: FearlessF on May 26, 2020, 11:28:22 AM
247Sports (https://247sports.com/college/michigan/LongFormArticle/NFL-Draft-edge-prospects-schools-with-most-players-147261150/#147261150_10) has ranked the best schools for every position based on NFL draft.

They started with the EDGE position (which consists of OLB's and DE's only- no DT's) - and Ohio State is #1 and Michigan is #2. They look at the last 5 drafts and assign points based on which round every player is drafted.


10) TCU - 3 NFL draft picks (1- 1st rd) - 14 points
good for TCU and the Big 12 - playing defense!
Title: Re: Schools where players at certain positions go to thrive
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on May 26, 2020, 04:29:31 PM
Learning about Patterson's 3-3-5 defense is really interesting.  They do the opposite of what many try - they want to funnel runs to the outside.  Very trippy stuff, goes against everything I'd heard.  But it seems to generally be effective.  

His defenses have been up and down, but that's understandable at a program like TCU.  They were more often elite pre-Big 12.
Title: Re: Schools where players at certain positions go to thrive
Post by: FearlessF on May 26, 2020, 07:06:54 PM
I've heard it referred top as "spilling" the run to the sideline

Pelini did some of this.  Didn't work vs Melvin Gordon.  Mostly because the Badgers blocked well
Title: Re: Schools where players at certain positions go to thrive
Post by: CWSooner on May 26, 2020, 07:51:47 PM
Learning about Patterson's 3-3-5 defense is really interesting.  They do the opposite of what many try - they want to funnel runs to the outside.  Very trippy stuff, goes against everything I'd heard.  But it seems to generally be effective. 

His defenses have been up and down, but that's understandable at a program like TCU.  They were more often elite pre-Big 12.
So, either his defense aren't as good now because he's in the Big 12, where it is forbidden to play defense, or his defenses aren't as good now because he was playing a mid-major schedule before and now he's playing a P5 schedule.
Which do you think is the better explanation.
Title: Re: Schools where players at certain positions go to thrive
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on May 26, 2020, 07:55:35 PM
The latter, of course.
Title: Re: Schools where players at certain positions go to thrive
Post by: CWSooner on May 26, 2020, 08:21:33 PM
Dang!  I thought sure you'd pick the choice saying that it's against the rules to play defense in the Big 12.

Just one disappointment after another today.
Title: Re: Schools where players at certain positions go to thrive
Post by: Mdot21 on May 26, 2020, 10:34:03 PM
Dang!  I thought sure you'd pick the choice saying that it's against the rules to play defense in the Big 12.

Just one disappointment after another today.
well defense does seem to be optional in the Big 12. Which, by the way can we change the names of these conferences? The Big 12 has ten teams and the Big Ten has 14 teams. Wtf.
Title: Re: Schools where players at certain positions go to thrive
Post by: CWSooner on May 27, 2020, 01:44:45 AM
well defense does seem to be optional in the Big 12. Which, by the way can we change the names of these conferences? The Big 12 has ten teams and the Big Ten has 14 teams. Wtf.
Big 10 and Big Fourteen?
Title: Re: Schools where players at certain positions go to thrive
Post by: 847badgerfan on May 27, 2020, 07:12:28 AM
well defense does seem to be optional in the Big 12. Which, by the way can we change the names of these conferences? The Big 12 has ten teams and the Big Ten has 14 teams. Wtf.
Look at the Big Ten logo. B1G.

The G is a 6. Meaning, expansion to 16 is the goal.
Title: Re: Schools where players at certain positions go to thrive
Post by: Cincydawg on May 27, 2020, 07:19:32 AM
Twelve teams work for me, I think 16 is too many but it works better than 14.
Title: Re: Schools where players at certain positions go to thrive
Post by: bayareabadger on May 27, 2020, 09:09:04 AM
Learning about Patterson's 3-3-5 defense is really interesting.  They do the opposite of what many try - they want to funnel runs to the outside.  Very trippy stuff, goes against everything I'd heard.  But it seems to generally be effective. 

His defenses have been up and down, but that's understandable at a program like TCU.  They were more often elite pre-Big 12.
Do you mean 4-2-5?

i swear that’s the defense he’s most linked with.

Title: Re: Schools where players at certain positions go to thrive
Post by: Mdot21 on May 27, 2020, 09:50:10 AM
Look at the Big Ten logo. B1G.

The G is a 6. Meaning, expansion to 16 is the goal.
Yeah, but who would they add? They already cheapened the brand by adding Rutgers. I still feel like it's Notre Dame or bust for the 15th team. And then if you need to add a token 16th team, I nominate Cincinnati. It's about time Ohio State had someone in their own state to deal with. Luke Fickell has deep ties in the state of Ohio, he's lead UC to back to back 11 win seasons and top 25 finishes, and he just turned down Michigan State to stay there. It would be nice to see Ohio State have an in-state rival to also deal with on the field and compete with for with Ohio recruits.
Title: Re: Schools where players at certain positions go to thrive
Post by: Cincydawg on May 27, 2020, 10:58:06 AM
G5 programs that could make it up include Cincy, Memphis, Houston, UCF ....
Title: Re: Schools where players at certain positions go to thrive
Post by: Mdot21 on May 27, 2020, 12:34:40 PM
G5 programs that could make it up include Cincy, Memphis, Houston, UCF ....
I'm honestly kind of surprised that Houston isn't already in the Big 12.

I'd love to see Cincy join the B1G just because they'd become a small thorn in the side for Ohio State. When you have another P5 program in your own state it just makes things a little more difficult. Everyone else has to deal with this except for those f**kers. That's an advantage that I'd like to see disappear for them. Plus Fickell has UC rolling. 22-4 in the last two seasons I think, and two top 25 finishes. And he just said no to Michigan State, which was huge, because UC had always kind of been a feeder school for the P5 to nab coaches. Notre Dame got Brian Kelly from there, Michigan State got Dantonio from there, and Tennessee probably wishes they didn't get Butch Jones from there. The fact that Fickell stayed tells me he wants to build a program there.

I feel like UCF is a hidden gem. That university has grown by leaps in bounds in just the last 15 years. It's insane actually. Florida State and Florida are great programs, but man are they in Butt F**k Egypt. Tallahassee and Gainesville both honestly just suck and are FARRRRRR away from any kind of normal civilization. They are in the middle of nowhere. Orlando is an infinitely better city than either of those hillbilly dumpster fires, in my opinion. Orlando has been listed by Forbes magazine as one of the top 5 fastest growing cities in America every single year for the past 20 years. Orlando is 80 miles from Tampa, about 2 hrs and 30 mins from West Palm, and the VirginTrains USA high-speed rail system is being built from Miami to Orlando as week and will be completed by 2022. 80% of Florida's population lives in those three metro areas- Tampa area, Greater Orlando, and South Florida. And those 3 areas are where virtually all of the state of Florida's top football recruits come from, especially the South Florida area. Not sure they could ever replace FSU or UF on the national stage but they might be able to replace Miami. Miami is a small private school that doesn't have it's own stadium, has basically zero fan base, and they are probably 10th on the list of sports teams that people in South Florida care about. The Dolphins are #1 and always will be. Hell, there's more Yankees or Red Sox fans there than there are Miami Hurricanes football fans.
Title: Re: Schools where players at certain positions go to thrive
Post by: FearlessF on May 27, 2020, 02:04:20 PM
Look at the Big Ten logo. B1G.

The G is a 6. Meaning, expansion to 16 is the goal.
yup, and the Big 12 goes to 14
Title: Re: Schools where players at certain positions go to thrive
Post by: fezzador on May 29, 2020, 08:43:41 AM
Yeah, but who would they add? They already cheapened the brand by adding Rutgers. I still feel like it's Notre Dame or bust for the 15th team. And then if you need to add a token 16th team, I nominate Cincinnati. It's about time Ohio State had someone in their own state to deal with. Luke Fickell has deep ties in the state of Ohio, he's lead UC to back to back 11 win seasons and top 25 finishes, and he just turned down Michigan State to stay there. It would be nice to see Ohio State have an in-state rival to also deal with on the field and compete with for with Ohio recruits.
The B1G may need to think outside the box for 15 and 16.  ND is an obvious target, but there still might be too much mutual animosity for it to be realistic.  I would have to say programs in large states with lots of B1G alumni would be optimal.  I'm thinking the U of Texas, U of Florida, and UNC.  UNC might make the most sense because while still a geographic outlier, it's still the closest to existing B1G schools (it's about 4 hours or so from UMD, and 6-7 from Penn State).  UNC and Texas don't have the conference stability that Florida has, but if there is an SEC school that might think about bolting for the B1G - even for a split second - it's UF.
Title: Re: Schools where players at certain positions go to thrive
Post by: Cincydawg on May 29, 2020, 08:53:44 AM
I think UNC and UVA are "joined at the hip", from what I can tell.  I doubt UF would be a viable choice either.

Title: Re: Schools where players at certain positions go to thrive
Post by: NorthernOhioBuckeye on May 29, 2020, 09:00:56 AM
Notre Dame got Brian Kelly from there, Michigan State got Dantonio from there, and Tennessee probably wishes they didn't get Butch Jones from there. 
I almost spit all over my keyboard when I read this. :hee20hee20hee:
Title: Re: Schools where players at certain positions go to thrive
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on May 30, 2020, 12:28:58 AM
The B1G may need to think outside the box for 15 and 16.  ND is an obvious target, but there still might be too much mutual animosity for it to be realistic.  I would have to say programs in large states with lots of B1G alumni would be optimal.  I'm thinking the U of Texas, U of Florida, and UNC.  UNC might make the most sense because while still a geographic outlier, it's still the closest to existing B1G schools (it's about 4 hours or so from UMD, and 6-7 from Penn State).  UNC and Texas don't have the conference stability that Florida has, but if there is an SEC school that might think about bolting for the B1G - even for a split second - it's UF.
Umm, no.  None of this.

The realistic options for B1G expansion are limited to these, in order of preference:
1 - AAU schools bordering the footprint
2 - AAU schools within the footprint
3 - ND

So in Group 1, you have Missouri, Kansas, Virginia, Colorado (hmmph), and technically Buffalo (n/a)
Depending on who you add from Group 1, you could extend the footprint further with the likes of UNC, Duke, Utah, or Vanderbilt.
Group 2, you have Pitt and Iowa State
Group 3 is Notre Dame
That's it.

Now, I think the B1G could add Pitt and ND and be perfectly fine.
The options in Group 1 are interesting in pairs - getting Mizzou & KU or Virginia & UNC....that's probably what the conference brass would prefer over a Pitt/ND addition.

But I'd be reeeeeally careful if they're extracting Missouri out of the SEC.  If that actually happened, I think some tectonic plates would start shuffling - some big boys would be like stonehenge dominoes falling.  The SEC would then go after a Texas or a Texas/OU or UNC/UVA/VT itself.  

Anywho, that's how I see it.  
Title: Re: Schools where players at certain positions go to thrive
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on May 30, 2020, 12:31:19 AM
 Tallahassee and Gainesville both honestly just suck and are FARRRRRR away from any kind of normal civilization. They are in the middle of nowhere. Orlando is an infinitely better city than either of those hillbilly dumpster fires, in my opinion. Orlando has been listed by Forbes magazine as one of the top 5 fastest growing cities in America every single year 
Have you lived in any of these 3 cities?
Title: Re: Schools where players at certain positions go to thrive
Post by: Hawkinole on May 30, 2020, 01:31:15 AM
The B1G may need to think outside the box for 15 and 16.  ND is an obvious target, but there still might be too much mutual animosity for it to be realistic.  I would have to say programs in large states with lots of B1G alumni would be optimal.  I'm thinking the U of Texas, U of Florida, and UNC.  UNC might make the most sense because while still a geographic outlier, it's still the closest to existing B1G schools (it's about 4 hours or so from UMD, and 6-7 from Penn State).  UNC and Texas don't have the conference stability that Florida has, but if there is an SEC school that might think about bolting for the B1G - even for a split second - it's UF.
UF is in the SEC. There is no way in h-e-double hockey sticks. FSU, USF, maybe but not likely. ND and another border state, or Iowa State.
Title: Re: Schools where players at certain positions go to thrive
Post by: Mdot21 on May 30, 2020, 02:03:27 AM
Umm, no.  None of this.

The realistic options for B1G expansion are limited to these, in order of preference:
1 - AAU schools bordering the footprint
2 - AAU schools within the footprint
3 - ND

So in Group 1, you have Missouri, Kansas, Virginia, Colorado (hmmph), and technically Buffalo (n/a)
Depending on who you add from Group 1, you could extend the footprint further with the likes of UNC, Duke, Utah, or Vanderbilt.
Group 2, you have Pitt and Iowa State
Group 3 is Notre Dame
That's it.

Now, I think the B1G could add Pitt and ND and be perfectly fine.
The options in Group 1 are interesting in pairs - getting Mizzou & KU or Virginia & UNC....that's probably what the conference brass would prefer over a Pitt/ND addition.

But I'd be reeeeeally careful if they're extracting Missouri out of the SEC.  If that actually happened, I think some tectonic plates would start shuffling - some big boys would be like stonehenge dominoes falling.  The SEC would then go after a Texas or a Texas/OU or UNC/UVA/VT itself. 

Anywho, that's how I see it. 
I don't think Texas would ever join the SEC. First of all A&M would try to block them. Secondly, Texas thinks they are too smart for you all in the SEC. Texas has actively been transforming itself into becoming a public academic powerhouse like Michigan or Cal and it already sees itself as a Public Ivy League school. They look down at the SEC. They think y'all are a bunch of dummies. Texas would join the Pac before they joined the SEC.
Title: Re: Schools where players at certain positions go to thrive
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on May 30, 2020, 02:22:09 AM
Vandy, Florida, and A&M are on that level, and UGA isn't far behind.  With UTA and OU in tow, no one would turn down those dollars.  It'd be all the dollars.
Title: Re: Schools where players at certain positions go to thrive
Post by: Mdot21 on May 30, 2020, 02:25:32 AM
Vandy, Florida, and A&M are on that level, and UGA isn't far behind.  With UTA and OU in tow, no one would turn down those dollars.  It'd be all the dollars.
Texas doesn't need the money. They have more money than anyone and they think they are better than everyone. From what I've heard/read, A&M would try to block Texas, and that it's a moot point because Texas isn't interested in the SEC.
Title: Re: Schools where players at certain positions go to thrive
Post by: Entropy on May 30, 2020, 11:11:59 AM
I'd guess Arkansas would also try and block Texas.

Texas would go PAC where they feel the academic reputation matches.  That's jmo, but I don't see Texas in the SEC.
Title: Re: Schools where players at certain positions go to thrive
Post by: Cincydawg on May 30, 2020, 11:27:38 AM
I don't worry much about academic rankings, but I'll note Texas was #48 in the USN&WR group and UGA was #50.  OSU is #54 and PSU is #57.

Obviously, getting a good education is so dependent on all sorts of other matters rankings are "cute" and perhaps even useful in broad strokes.

UGA is not AAU of course as they lack a strong graduate program in most areas.
Title: Re: Schools where players at certain positions go to thrive
Post by: LittlePig on May 30, 2020, 06:48:51 PM
Umm, no.  None of this.

The realistic options for B1G expansion are limited to these, in order of preference:
1 - AAU schools bordering the footprint
2 - AAU schools within the footprint
3 - ND

So in Group 1, you have Missouri, Kansas, Virginia, Colorado (hmmph), and technically Buffalo (n/a)
Depending on who you add from Group 1, you could extend the footprint further with the likes of UNC, Duke, Utah, or Vanderbilt.
Group 2, you have Pitt and Iowa State
Group 3 is Notre Dame
That's it.

Now, I think the B1G could add Pitt and ND and be perfectly fine.
The options in Group 1 are interesting in pairs - getting Mizzou & KU or Virginia & UNC....that's probably what the conference brass would prefer over a Pitt/ND addition.

But I'd be reeeeeally careful if they're extracting Missouri out of the SEC.  If that actually happened, I think some tectonic plates would start shuffling - some big boys would be like stonehenge dominoes falling.  The SEC would then go after a Texas or a Texas/OU or UNC/UVA/VT itself. 

Anywho, that's how I see it. 

The whole idea that the Big Ten needs to add 2 teams for its next expansion may go out the window if the NCAA changes its rules for Conference Championship games. 

The Big Ten may decide to ditch its divisions and just have the top 2 teams go to the CCG.  In which case, they may expand to 15 only  if the right candidate is willing and available.  No need to add #16 to balance out the divisions.
Title: Re: Schools where players at certain positions go to thrive
Post by: Mdot21 on May 30, 2020, 08:26:18 PM
The whole idea that the Big Ten needs to add 2 teams for its next expansion may go out the window if the NCAA changes its rules for Conference Championship games. 

The Big Ten may decide to ditch its divisions and just have the top 2 teams go to the CCG.  In which case, they may expand to 15 only  if the right candidate is willing and available.  No need to add #16 to balance out the divisions.
That would be a terrible idea. I like the divisions. If you can't win your division then you don't deserve to go to the CCG imo. And I hate the idea of a rematch. What if Ohio State and Michigan finish #1 and #2 in the conference- that game is the last game of the season every year. I for one wouldn't want to see a rematch. It's already been settled on the field the week before.
Title: Re: Schools where players at certain positions go to thrive
Post by: CWSooner on May 30, 2020, 09:29:41 PM
I don't think Texas would ever join the SEC. First of all A&M would try to block them. Secondly, Texas thinks they are too smart for you all in the SEC. Texas has actively been transforming itself into becoming a public academic powerhouse like Michigan or Cal and it already sees itself as a Public Ivy League school. They look down at the SEC. They think y'all are a bunch of dummies. Texas would join the Pac before they joined the SEC.
I'm pretty sure that you are right about Texas.  They have thought about Pac membership a lot over the years, I think.  And, as I understand it, they do not want to be part of the SEC.
There are some very good state-supported schools in the SEC, however.
Title: Re: Schools where players at certain positions go to thrive
Post by: CWSooner on May 30, 2020, 09:32:07 PM
yup, and the Big 12 goes to 14
What four teams should we add?
Nebraska and what other three?
Title: Re: Schools where players at certain positions go to thrive
Post by: FearlessF on May 30, 2020, 09:34:44 PM
colorado, missery, and Arky

it's perfect!
Title: Re: Schools where players at certain positions go to thrive
Post by: CWSooner on May 30, 2020, 09:45:34 PM
I like it.
Title: Re: Schools where players at certain positions go to thrive
Post by: MrNubbz on May 30, 2020, 09:57:13 PM
What four teams should we add?
Nebraska and what other three?
Careful what you wish for Fearless will start a Welcoming Nebraska Thread that will last 2 Years.
Title: Re: Schools where players at certain positions go to thrive
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on May 31, 2020, 12:53:56 AM
Would OU ever make a move without Texas?  If not, isn't that sort of lame?  Put on your big-boy pants.
Title: Re: Schools where players at certain positions go to thrive
Post by: Cincydawg on May 31, 2020, 08:57:41 AM
We're bored, talking about new playoff designs and new conference alignments.  Happens every year in June or so.

Nothing wrong with that of course.
Title: Re: Schools where players at certain positions go to thrive
Post by: Mdot21 on May 31, 2020, 01:57:46 PM
Would OU ever make a move without Texas?  If not, isn't that sort of lame?  Put on your big-boy pants.
I’d bet they’d go to the SEC if the money was right. Texas recruiting is vital to OU. As long as A&M is there and they’ll play games in Texas every year I’d think OU would do it.
Title: Re: Schools where players at certain positions go to thrive
Post by: Cincydawg on May 31, 2020, 01:58:08 PM
Let's just manage to have a season.  We need something.
Title: Re: Schools where players at certain positions go to thrive
Post by: CWSooner on May 31, 2020, 05:17:53 PM
Would OU ever make a move without Texas?  If not, isn't that sort of lame?  Put on your big-boy pants.
I posted earlier that I didn't understand your post.  Somehow, I missed the "If not" part of it.
So, to answer your questions . . . .
I think that the OU administration views the annual series with Texas, at the Cotton Bowl, in Fair Park, at the time of the Texas State Fair, as a cornerstone of OU football.
As a result of that thinking, OU would have to think very long and very hard before doing anything to jeopardize that game.  Although that game existed for almost a century, and for 66 years as a game played annually in Dallas, before the formation of the Big 12, it is not at all certain that it would continue if either OU or Texas were to leave the Big 12 without the other.  We can see what happened to the annual Texas-Texas A&M game when the Aggies left for the SEC.
Are there OU fans who believe that OU should not feel bound to automatically stay linked with Texas, even if it meant risking the RRS?  Yes, there are.  I am one of them, even though I believe the RRS to be the equal of any CFB rivalry game except for--maybe--the Army-Navy game.  Having the flagship school of the second-largest-and-most-populous state in the Union running your conference is not all fun and games.
But I can't think of any currently likely circumstances that would warrant such a separation.  It would make no sense for OU to approach the Pac-12 as a solo act.  I don't want to see OU in the SEC.  And I don't see OU going to the Big Ten as a non-AAU member, the chances of becoming which our former school president probably queered for the foreseeable future by submitting false data to USN&WR about alumni endowments.
So, absent some irresistible, once-in-a-millennium opportunity, I imagine OU will stay tied to Texas for as long as Texas wants to be tied to OU.
Title: Re: Schools where players at certain positions go to thrive
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on May 31, 2020, 08:16:39 PM
OU could play Texas OOC.  I get the Texas vs A&M rivalry disintegrated, but Texas fans would not stand to lose the OU game as well.  
Anyway, Texas could join the SEC - A&M wouldn't be able to block anything, as much as they'd like to.  I would think Arkansas would welcome the Horns.  

It would all make sense, as adding 2 western teams and moving Mizzou to the proper geographic division would move Bama & Auburn to the East.  Why is that a big deal?  Because then the whole conference wouldn't be held hostage by the Bama-Tenn/UGA-Aub cross-divisional crap.


I'm probably way ahead of this, but at some point, eventually, the ACC and Big12 need to figure it out.  And either Texas or UNC? is going to have to blink.  
Title: Re: Schools where players at certain positions go to thrive
Post by: Cincydawg on May 31, 2020, 09:11:28 PM
Or, maybe things just stay as they are. What problem is being solved here?
Title: Re: Schools where players at certain positions go to thrive
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on May 31, 2020, 09:12:00 PM
The outrage that the 5th-ranked team might secretly be the best, I think.
Title: Re: Schools where players at certain positions go to thrive
Post by: Cincydawg on May 31, 2020, 09:15:16 PM
The outrage that the 5th-ranked team might secretly be the best, I think.
I don't think that was a problem last season anyway.

And I don't view it as some outrage.  But, if someone has a better system that would have worked better over the past 20 seasons, fine with me.