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I love the smell of butthurt in the morning.

LMAO @ all the bucknutjobs like that loser Brohio wearing full on face masks from the Stallions documentary who were saying for years Michigan is getting the hammer….death penalty incoming!

Michigan has broken the entire Ohio State fan base. It’s glorious.

It is kinda funny. 

But the way I look it, Ohio State broke UM.  They used to be respected but as Hairball said, we are going to win that game or die trying. Now, it’s been  proven.  What they discovered was a comprehensive, well organized, well funded years long practice of completely illegal advanced scouting. Everything those “ bucknutjobs” said UM did, was spot on.  Including the cover up, destruction of evidence, obstruction of the investigation, and a general culture of non compliance.  They nailed all that.  And even though the show cause for Harbaugh is not hurting UM- a 10 year shows you just what a sleazebag the NCAA found him to be. 
The only thing those “nut jobs” got wrong was the penalty.  But the entire sports world, outside of Michigan fans, agrees the penalties are far too light for the first and only in game cheating in CFB.
The financial penalties are stiff- precedent setting- so there is that.
So you can enjoy that they got away with it and enjoy the fact that all the other teams and fan bases don’t agree.  If that’s your view of the world.  You can guess what it does to your credibility. 

I am just glad the drama is over.  

The most comical irony from my seat is how so many people are complaining about how the NCAA got the punishment so wrong, yet are dead set on believing all of their investigation and statements are without flaw. On one side they’re idiots and on the other they are spot on with all their accusations.

And many seem to need the reminder that after the original accusations, under the microscope, Michigan still beat MSU, Purdue, Penn State, Maryland, OSU, Iowa, Alabama and Washington. Every one of those teams had the opportunity to prove that cheating was the reason for Michigan’s earlier wins.

It's tough knowing that had this been Wisconsin, they'd be looking at not only the fines, but vacated wins and bowl bans.

Everyone knows the helmets get special treatment, but even OSU got a postseason ban for the 2012 season and vacated a lot of wins (at least their 2010 loss to Wisconsin still stands). That probably wouldn't happen today.

It's tough knowing that had this been Wisconsin, they'd be looking at not only the fines, but vacated wins and bowl bans.

Exactly this. Wisconsin would have been (and has been) hit much harder. That’s where my big complaint lies.

i don’t think the money is nothing, but this is still ridiculous compared to the penalties other programs get for lesser offenses.

It is kinda funny. 

But the way I look it, Ohio State broke UM.  They used to be respected but as Hairball said, we are going to win that game or die trying. Now, it’s been  proven.  What they discovered was a comprehensive, well organized, well funded years long practice of completely illegal advanced scouting. Everything those “ bucknutjobs” said UM did, was spot on.  Including the cover up, destruction of evidence, obstruction of the investigation, and a general culture of non compliance.  They nailed all that.  And even though the show cause for Harbaugh is not hurting UM- a 10 year shows you just what a sleazebag the NCAA found him to be. 
The only thing those “nut jobs” got wrong was the penalty.  But the entire sports world, outside of Michigan fans, agrees the penalties are far too light for the first and only in game cheating in CFB.
The financial penalties are stiff- precedent setting- so there is that.
So you can enjoy that they got away with it and enjoy the fact that all the other teams and fan bases don’t agree.  If that’s your view of the world.  You can guess what it does to your credibility.

I am just glad the drama is over. 

I do think that's why Michigan is appealing.  The penalty is nothing.  But the pretending like they are "above this" is gone.  Every quote Harbaugh gave is complete BS.  Leaders and Best?  BS.  That's fine.  You won.  Auburn also won a national title.  UNLV basketball and SMU football were amazing for a minute.  Michigan won a title, it's never going away.  But their best period of baseball ended in a cheating scandal that got their coach fired.  Their best period of basketball ended in a cheating scandal that got their coach fired.  Their best period of football ended in a cheating scandal that got their coach banned for 14 years.  They win a lot, but they also have to be ok with that being their legacy.  A lot of OSU/MSU fans are butthurt the penalties weren't more tangible.  And a lot of UM fans are butthurt that this is their new legacy.

They proved they were the best team. 

But that is completely irrelevant to the intentional cheating and cover up. 

it is relevant due to much of the commentary coming from Columbus fans, claiming they only won a championship because of it.

I do understand your point, but let’s also not act like no one else worked on stealing signs. It has been common. Stallions just took it to an advanced level. 

Well, it's done, unless the appeal makes it even slighter.  I really don't even care any more about such things.  I'm still watching on Fall Saturdays, at least for now.  As many of us have said, that is starting to be a question for us, and we can see a future date where we maybe watch only our team, and then not even that.

If it's a nice day now and my wife wants to drive somewhere on a Saturday, I'll probably go, maybe check the score on the phone ... or not.

It's entertainment, if it's not ...

Jaded.

This is a pretty good summation where a lot of us are at I believe. What was a life passion 15 years ago has lessened due to how the game and the world has changed. Sundays I barely turn on an NfL game spent solely on the family. Saturdays are about the college game as long as the family is a part of it and if not, it takes a back burner.

Sports in general have been about $ for a while now and the larger the gap between the average Joe and the athlete has become, the more people have drifted from the importance of the game.

But that’s the point. 2023 Michigan was load and NFL scouts and rosters would agree.

Jeebis c,mon mario that senior class starting with JJ and Corum have been a steaming pile look up their stats

I went to Sporting News(https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/michigan-players-drafted-2024-nfl-draft-jj-mccarthy-corum/dd8ceec9eea205f378110acd) and reviewed all of M's list of NFL Draftees following their "Legendary Season". I used Pro Football Reference for stats, these Picks were either out for the season,inactive or were buffing the bench with their backsides.The Blue Wall deluded their disciples into thinking this legendary draft would rival Lombardi's Packers,Noll's Steelers,'73 Dolphins or the '85 Bears. They must be swilling cannabis infused beverages and playing with Quija Boards if they really believe that

For instance Mr LLC himself- Blake Crum,err Corum had a robust 207 yds on the season,Mike Sainristil safety for Washington shows some promise as he showed up for all 16 games and looks like a keeper.AJ Barner, TE for Seattle had 245 yds receiving,congratulations AJ you were the 2nd most productive one. Trevor Keegan played in one game for the Eagles but got a ring,Congats Trevor. But for the rest Great Googly Moogly I honestly was shocked,2 of the draftees had no stats posted at all, 3 off them had o-o-o-o-o across the stat sheet - I'm serious . Search for your self but you'll spend more time compiling  the list than those undefeated hackers saw playing time. 😎