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Topic: Retirement / What am I working for?

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Re: Retirement / What am I working for?
« Reply #714 on: August 26, 2026, 12:16:51 PM »
Yeah, when 2008-9 hit, I just said "I guess I have to stay working four or so more years."

After you retire, that option becomes more limited.

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« Reply #715 on: August 26, 2026, 12:35:11 PM »
My "other issue" in retirement is "elapsed time", before I leave this wonderful world.  I retired at 58, my family is fairly long lived, so I "figured" on the real possibility of 40+ more years.  Then one can "do some math" about how to shepherd one's savings over that period.  What has surprised me is how much my retirement fund has appreciated.  I had "hoped" I could hold the number constant while living a reasonably comfortable life.  That number has doubled, while I have lived a somewhat luxurious life. 

I did get some inheritance from my parents which mostly went to paying off the condo.  But my notion now is, if you retire "early", don't invest for "widows and orphans" entirely, include some Apples and Costcos in the mix, while holding back enough to "survive" five years.  My wife is very frugal, as I was for decades, so at times we have to talk about whether to spend $$ on something like flying premium versus Comfort, or taking another cruise.

Anyway, don't be scared of having SOME "techie" stocks in your portfolios.  Or maybe include XLK as an ETF etc.
Yeah, the math is about avoiding failure. It's not a prediction of how much you'll end up with. The various studies look at back-testing every retirement year and modeling the withdrawal rate such that you don't experience "failure", i.e. running out of money before the expected remaining lifetime ends. 

That's considered "failure". But most of the expected outcomes are not just 'not running out of money', they're preserving or gaining money. 

And the reason is simple. S&P 500 gains, on average, 10.5% nominal per year. Adjusted for inflation, it's closer to 7-8%. So if you're withdrawing, say, 4% per year [inflation adjusted every year], your returns should be close to double your withdrawal rate. So you should be growing every year. 

But that's when sequence of returns risk [SORR] comes in. If you retire into the teeth of a recession, it takes your number down because the S&P 500 in a bad recession can be >50%. And the recovery time isn't always fast. So if it drops 50%, your 4% withdrawal rate is now 8%... If you retired in say, 2000, or 2007, it gets dicey. 

This is one reason I'm not trying to retire as soon as I can, I'm trying to retire as soon as I can afford a life with a fair bit of luxury... Because if a good portion of my projected spending is discretionary/luxury, I can tighten the belt significantly in a bad market and reduce my withdrawal. 

Assuming I retire "early", I will also be modeling it based on that withdrawal rate covering health insurance and not factoring in SS, even though I'll be expecting Medicare and SS to pad everything down the road. 

So my actual expectation is that I'll die with a lot more than I retire with. 

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« Reply #716 on: August 26, 2026, 01:48:41 PM »
I will be taken out of this house on a stretcher, feet first.

Not concerned at all about long-term care.
I was having a chat with family about that. A little folks plan for that. Getting there is sometimes the challenge. (Although it sounds like your home choice helps there, assuming it’s built to age in)

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« Reply #717 on: August 26, 2026, 01:51:06 PM »
I was having a chat with family about that. A little folks plan for that. Getting there is sometimes the challenge. (Although it sounds like your home choice helps there, assuming it’s built to age in)
One level, no stairs. Flat neighborhood. Should be fine.
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« Reply #718 on: August 26, 2026, 02:14:54 PM »
Three levels here, two spiral stairs, huh.  I'm less worried about physical than mental LT care ...

There was a lady living here at 95, she bought when the place was just built, and was finally taken out to some care facility and I heard she died a few months after that.  I don't know if at 95 I'd be able to manage to do stuff, maybe if I had partial care coming twice a week or something.

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« Reply #719 on: August 26, 2026, 05:46:45 PM »
unfortunately, when you mentally or physically drop off to a point where your wife or family can't care for you, you/they don't get to make the choice where you live the remaining time of your life.

my Father was lucky, died in the house he built
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« Reply #720 on: August 26, 2026, 06:21:45 PM »
It’s tough. You want to go a certain way, but a lot of the time it just gets taken out of your hands.

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« Reply #721 on: Today at 07:29:33 AM »
Yeah, if one passes in "good health", folks will think it was "too soon".

If one lingers in poor health, or even OK health but advanced age where one's abilities are frail, well, folks will say otherwise, but one lives some years without being able to master one's one affairs very well, travel, cook, go to the store, whatever.

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« Reply #722 on: Today at 09:26:56 AM »
Lost my grandma last year at age 98.  She remained in quite good health until the end.  Had to have both knees replaced, probably in her 70's, which was pretty hard on her, but once she got past that, she had remarkable health.  Although she quit driving the last 5-6 years of her life, she remained able to travel around the country with her kids, either riding or flying, and she lived at home alone until the end, never having to go to a nursing home or move in with one of her kids, which she didn't want.  She wanted to die in the house she built and lived in with my grandpa, and she did. 

Technically, she died of cancer, but even with that, her symptoms were as mild as you could possibly ask for.  She never had pain.  She became more tired in her final days, and less clear-minded in the last 2-3 days, kind of like someone who just woke up who is not a morning person and hasn't had their coffee yet.  My wife explained that her lungs were filling with fluid, yet she never coughed or had trouble breathing, which Mrs. DeT said was amazing and she'd not ever seen anything like it, but wasn't surprised, given my grandma's peculiar history of not having any physical troubles at all.  She spent the last 24 hours in her bed, she didn't want to get up and go to the living room that day, so we just visited with her at her bed, until she finally went to sleep and didn't wake up again.  

That's not a common story, but if I had my druthers, that's how I'd like to go.  

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« Reply #723 on: Today at 09:29:50 AM »
I'd like to go the way my grandfather did, in his sleep. 

Not like the 3 screaming passengers in his car. 

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« Reply #724 on: Today at 09:31:36 AM »
I figure I'll probably go sliding off the roof of some gal's house in a snow storm because her daddy came home unexpectedly.

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« Reply #725 on: Today at 09:40:52 AM »
I have a solution.

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« Reply #726 on: Today at 11:30:09 AM »
that's against the law
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« Reply #727 on: Today at 11:41:53 AM »
Not in my house (I'd do it out back - don't want to make a mess).

I will not ever go into a memory care facility. The 44 will do just fine.
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