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MikeDeTiger · « **Reply #3836 on:** April 30, 2025, 10:38:50 AM »

Les Miles -- you are what your record says you are, and I'm not grading on sentence structure or grass intake
Nick Saban -- great culture builder who proved DiNardo wrong about LSU's ceiling
Brian Kelly -- ahead of Orgeron because his floor is higher, but clearly behind the first two
Ed Orgeron -- yaw yaw yawcrawfish, yaw yaw etoufee, yawyawyaawwwww2019
Gerry DiNardo -- thanks for bringing the magic back. Now, even 25 years later, GTFO

utee94 · « **Reply #3837 on:** April 30, 2025, 10:42:30 AM »

Quote from: MikeDeTiger on April 30, 2025, 10:33:37 AM

Which is Strong and which is Herman? Inquiring minds want to know.

Take your pick. Doesn't matter.

Gigem · « **Reply #3838 on:** April 30, 2025, 10:51:24 AM »

Slocum
Sumlin
Jimbo
Elko but too early
Fran dead last by a mile.

847badgerfan · « **Reply #3839 on:** April 30, 2025, 10:54:34 AM »

I never understood the firing of Slocum, but it was probably time I guess.

MikeDeTiger · « **Reply #3840 on:** April 30, 2025, 10:58:53 AM »

I wish to include the previous six coaches, because I'd like the chance to create a side list including Hitler, Stalin, Mao, and Satan, and then rank Curly Hallman below them.

Mdot21 · « **Reply #3841 on:** April 30, 2025, 11:50:20 AM »

Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on April 29, 2025, 09:42:55 PM

How do you rank your team's last five head coaches?

1) Sherrone Moore - Incomplete

2) Jeem: A-

3) Brady Hoke: D (only reason he doesn't get an F is he went 11-2 in his first year and won a BCS bowl- which was a fluke)

4) RichRod: F

5) Lloyd Carr: A

Mdot21 · « **Reply #3842 on:** April 30, 2025, 11:51:03 AM »

Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on April 29, 2025, 07:45:29 PM

definitive?
IMO cbssports is ass. Am I way off on that? I've never been impressed with them.

Sellers on USCe isn't the 3rd-best QB, much less the 3rd-best player overall. It's a joke.

no, you're not way off. CBS Sports is ass. So is ESPN though. Pretty much most of mainstream sports media is.

847badgerfan · « **Reply #3843 on:** April 30, 2025, 11:54:46 AM »

CBS owns 247.

Mdot21 · « **Reply #3844 on:** April 30, 2025, 11:54:58 AM »

Quote from: FearlessF on April 28, 2025, 07:45:38 PM

Greg McElroy releases polarizing Top 10 college football quarterback rankings

Before getting started, McElroy explained he did not want to project with this list. His goal was to get quarterbacks in there who have proven themselves against “top-tier teams” in the past. That being said, let’s check out the full list from McElroy.

1. Cade Klubnik, Clemson
Klubnik ended last season on a hot streak, helping Clemson win an ACC Championship and compete in the College Football Playoff. The former five-star rating finally seems to be coming to fruition for him.
Giving Klubnik weapons has been the issue in years past. However, the Tigers have done a great job bringing some talented wide receivers in. Mix in Klubnik entering Year 3 as the starter and the formula begins to come together.

2. John Mateer, Oklahoma
Brent Venables knew Oklahoma needed a massive upgrade at quarterback heading into next season. Mateer was the easy and obvious choice from the start, given his relationship with newly hired offensive coordinator Ben Arbuckle.

3. Sam Leavitt, Arizona State
Another College Football Playoff participant, Leavitt enjoyed a breakout 2024 season. The bar has now been raised — enough to where the Arizona State star rounds out the top three for McElroy.

4. Drew Allar, Penn State
Allar was just one game away from leading Penn State to the national championship game. A good core of Nittany Lions players return for the 2025 season and none are bigger than him.

5. Garrett Nussmeier, LSU
Putting his name into this year’s draft was an option for Nussmeier. Instead, the decision was to come back to Baton Rouge for his second full season as LSU’s starting quarterback.
Surpassing 4,000 yards with 25 touchdowns was a great first run for Nussmeier. Brian Kelly will now be looking to bring in the reins a little, hoping to up the completion percentage of 64.2% and see less than 12 interceptions.

6. Carson Beck, Miami
Beck leaves one of college football’s preeminent programs in Georgia and still steps into a place with massive expectations. Miami just saw Cam Ward go No. 1 overall in the NFL Draft, guiding Mario Cristobal‘s bunch to 10 wins.
An elbow injury means Beck did not participate in spring practice. He is expected to be cleared soon though, and be ready for the season opener against Notre Dame.

7. LaNorris Sellers, South Carolina
Sellers is going to be a popular name over the next 12 months. Potentially not just in the college football world either, as the dynamic dual-threat quarterback walks into his third season of college football.
To this point on McElroy’s list, Sellers is the most inexperienced player. South Carolina is hoping the jump from Year 1 to Year 2 is a massive one, pushing them into SEC contention.

8. Sawyer Robertson, Baylor
Potentially one of the more underdiscussed guys out there, Robertson finds himself at No. 8 for McElroy. Head coach Dave Aranda could potentially have one of the sport’s top signal-callers.
Robertson began his career at Mississippi State but a move to Waco has worked out for him. Over 3,000 yards, 28 touchdowns, and just eight interceptions is something Baylor would take again in a heartbeat.

9. DJ Lagway, Florida
Florida is getting a ton of preseason hype and Lagway is a big reason why. When he took over as the Gators’ full-time starter, success followed with four straight wins to end the year.
Injuries might be a concern for Lagway, currently dealing with a shoulder problem. Even so, plenty of people, not just McElroy, are high on what the sophomore can do.

10. Haynes King, Georgia Tech
King will begin the 2025 season with nearly 30 career starts under his belt, split between Georgia Tech and Texas A&M. Between COVID-19 and a redshirt year, this will be year No. 6 for King in college football.

yeah either this list really sucks or this QB crop really sucks. YUCK.

Arch Manning will be better than every QB on this list in 2025 imo. DJ Lagway is going to be a lot better than 9th by the time the season is over imo. He's a stud, big-time talent. Drew Allar and Garrett Nussmeier are mediocre ass imo. Carson Beck is a hard one for me to figure out. We'll see how he bounces back in his new situation but he was dealing with injury and had a pretty bad slump in his 2nd year of starting but at least I've seen flashes out of him. I've seen nothing out of Drew Allar or Garrett Nussmeier to have them anywhere near a top 10 QB list.

MikeDeTiger · « **Reply #3845 on:** April 30, 2025, 12:23:36 PM »

Nuss did really well last year, overall. The interior of his line made him look worse than he was, several time per game, but he showed quite a lot, especially for a first year starter. His biggest weakness was his unwillingness to run and/or his lack of awareness that it was open and necessary. Jury is out on if that will improve, but not having a center and both guards get caved into him every other play would be a big help for him. Not sure he's going to get that, though. This OL will almost certainly be worse than last year's.

Cincydawg · « **Reply #3846 on:** April 30, 2025, 01:03:10 PM »

I kind of like Haynes King, he's pretty good, not NFL good. He sort of a Stetson Bennett.

Gigem · « **Reply #3847 on:** April 30, 2025, 01:13:14 PM »

Quote from: 847badgerfan on April 30, 2025, 10:54:34 AM

I never understood the firing of Slocum, but it was probably time I guess.

The main reason was he was being passed by Mack Brown and Bob Stoops.

A couple of things happened at the end of Slocum's tenure as coach that probably skewed his record. We fell behind in the recruiting wars, we didn't invest in facilities early enough and by the time we started both OU and UT had top notch facilities to attract much better recruits.

The big issue with Slocum, in my opinion, is not how much he lost to OU and UT, but how much he lost to TxTech, Mizzou, Kansas State, and the rest. In reality, nobody in the Big XII could have kept up with Stoops and OU. They were the Blue Blood at the top of their game. Winning 25% of the games against them would have been seen as progress. I think Slocum won 1/4, with close losses in 2000 and blowouts in '99, 01. We won the 2002 game, defeated #1 OU at Kyle.   I bet Mack didn't fare much better, but maybe 30-40%W and Texas was doing very well at that time.

The mistake A&M made at the time was letting the 2nd and 3rd best recruits get away. We spent so much time recruiting the same players as OU/Tex that we didn't end up signing that some of the best recruits of the era went to TT, KSU, oSu, and TCU. We could have easily fielded a top 10 team of the 2000's if we simply focused on the "best of the rest". Adrian Peterson is a good example of that. It was reported at the time that it was between OU and A&M (I think it was around 2002 timeframe). I don't think I can tell you who the RB was for A&M from that era, but I'd be certain that some of the ones that played for the other teams were probably a lot better. The only one that stands out to me from that timeframe was Jovorskie Lane, and he was a FB that played RB.
Anyways, a lot of the frustration around Slocum was based on the fact that he was in his 12th year, and not only were we losing to OU/Texas but now we were losing regularly to TT, KSU, Mizzou, and oSu. I don't disagree with the change, it was just who we hired that was the biggest mistake. Fran was an abject disaster.

Gigem · « **Reply #3848 on:** April 30, 2025, 01:14:23 PM »

Quote from: Cincydawg on April 30, 2025, 01:03:10 PM

I kind of like Haynes King, he's pretty good, not NFL good. He sort of a Stetson Bennett.

Poor kid couldn't make it through the first couple of games at A&M without being injured for the year. Glad to see he's doing well.

utee94 · « **Reply #3849 on:** April 30, 2025, 01:16:37 PM »

Quote from: Gigem on April 30, 2025, 01:13:14 PM

The main reason was he was being passed by Mack Brown and Bob Stoops.

A couple of things happened at the end of Slocum's tenure as coach that probably skewed his record. We fell behind in the recruiting wars, we didn't invest in facilities early enough and by the time we started both OU and UT had top notch facilities to attract much better recruits.

The big issue with Slocum, in my opinion, is not how much he lost to OU and UT, but how much he lost to TxTech, Mizzou, Kansas State, and the rest. In reality, nobody in the Big XII could have kept up with Stoops and OU. They were the Blue Blood at the top of their game. Winning 25% of the games against them would have been seen as progress. I think Slocum won 1/4, with close losses in 2000 and blowouts in '99, 01. We won the 2002 game, defeated #1 OU at Kyle. I bet Mack didn't fare much better, but maybe 30-40%W and Texas was doing very well at that time.

The mistake A&M made at the time was letting the 2nd and 3rd best recruits get away. We spent so much time recruiting the same players as OU/Tex that we didn't end up signing that some of the best recruits of the era went to TT, KSU, oSu, and TCU. We could have easily fielded a top 10 team of the 2000's if we simply focused on the "best of the rest". Adrian Peterson is a good example of that. It was reported at the time that it was between OU and A&M (I think it was around 2002 timeframe). I don't think I can tell you who the RB was for A&M from that era, but I'd be certain that some of the ones that played for the other teams were probably a lot better. The only one that stands out to me from that timeframe was Jovorskie Lane, and he was a FB that played RB.
Anyways, a lot of the frustration around Slocum was based on the fact that he was in his 12th year, and not only were we losing to OU/Texas but now we were losing regularly to TT, KSU, Mizzou, and oSu. I don't disagree with the change, it was just who we hired that was the biggest mistake. Fran was an abject disaster.

Yup, as an outsider but with close ties to some Ags, this was my impression as well.

And I honestly thought Franchione was going to do well at TAMU. Hindsight's 20/20 of course, but at the time that looked like a good hire, at least in my opinion.

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