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« Reply #3766 on: April 23, 2025, 11:27:17 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on April 23, 2025, 11:23:19 AM
Cars in Europe have gotten a lot bigger even over the past decade or so.  Cars in Japan are tiny, cars in Korea are about the same as here, but no light duty trucks there or in Europe (almost, I've see 3 or 4).  They use vans a lot for work vehicles so the stuff gets locked up.  Crime in France is pretty severe (theft).

In Europe, any single family house is surrounded by a significant fence front and back.
Oh yeah they've definitely gotten larger.  But of course so have American cars.  Back then in the US there were only a handful of SUVs and lots of smaller sedans.  Now sedans and coupes are dying and the CUV/SUV has almost entirely replaced it.

My second trip to Belgium, the rental car agency gave me a Ford Mondeo, which was the same as a Ford Tempo here in the states.  That was a HUGE car by European standards and I couldn't park it anywhere.  I had to have the hotel just park it in the street in front because I couldn't get up the tiny ramp and into their gated car park behind their building.  I did that for a few days and then took it back and got a Citroen or a Fiat or something.
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« Reply #3767 on: April 23, 2025, 11:30:00 AM »
The main trend in the US over the past 20 or so years has been to CUVs, I'm guilty of that now.  I used to despise them, now I despise that I kind of like them.  Folks used to driving a Toyota Camry are now in a RAV4.  That market is hypercompetitive.  I don't know if the large trucks and SUVs are larger over two decades or not, some probably are.

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« Reply #3768 on: April 23, 2025, 11:41:15 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on April 23, 2025, 11:30:00 AM
The main trend in the US over the past 20 or so years has been to CUVs, I'm guilty of that now.  I used to despise them, now I despise that I kind of like them.  Folks used to driving a Toyota Camry are now in a RAV4.  That market is hypercompetitive.  I don't know if the large trucks and SUVs are larger over two decades or not, some probably are.


Not sure bout large SUVs, but pickups have definitely gotten larger, taller, and heavier, over the years.  Part of that is the move away from the single cab to the full crew cab, part of it is increase in horsepower/capability, and part of it is probably just good old American "bigism."  




I do see the average weights came down from 2010 to 2020, I suspect some of it has to do with the shift from all-steel to aluminum in some trucks, including and especially the best-selling Ford F150.
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« Reply #3769 on: April 23, 2025, 11:44:45 AM »
Pickups have definitely over 40 years, I was thinking more 20 years.

Some of the weight is due to safety advances.  A 1980 F150 looks tiny today.

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« Reply #3770 on: April 23, 2025, 11:51:08 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on April 23, 2025, 11:44:45 AM
Pickups have definitely over 40 years, I was thinking more 20 years.

An increase of 18% from 2000 to 2020.  I'd say that's quite a bit in the last 20 years (that I have infographic data for).

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« Reply #3771 on: April 23, 2025, 11:56:00 AM »
It is, but the size hasn't increased all that much, I think, since 2005, but I could be wrong. 

I think SUVs have evolved right along with LD trucks.  

But then CUVs started to take over.  I think they are net heavier than similar sedans.
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« Reply #3772 on: April 23, 2025, 12:12:11 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on April 23, 2025, 11:56:00 AM
It is, but the size hasn't increased all that much, I think, since 2005, but I could be wrong.

Like I said, the increase of cabin size is driving an increase in vehicle size.  Despite the decrease in bed length over the decades, the past 20 years show that trucks are bigger now then they were 20 years ago.  Here's another visual:



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« Reply #3773 on: April 23, 2025, 12:15:17 PM »
This increased cabin size is precisely why I bought the vehicle I ended up with.  I was replacing our family vehicle-- a large SUV-- and needed the pickup to serve as our new family vehicle.  At the time, the Ford Supercrew cab boasted the largest cabin of all of the pickups sold in the USA.  The back seat has almost 6" more than the equivalent Chevy and Dodge/Rams.


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« Reply #3774 on: April 23, 2025, 12:28:22 PM »
I'm especially sensitive to this subject, because there's a lot of concern nationally, over how much less safe new trucks are, specifically for pedestrians and the drivers of regular passenger vehicles.  Taller trucks, taller hood heights, worse sightlines, heavier vehicles, more damage caused when collisions occur.  These are all trending topics of conversation right now, as a result of the increases in truck sizes, including the past 20 years.

From Consumer Reports--


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A CR analysis of industry data shows that the hood height of passenger trucks has increased by an average of at least 11 percent since 2000 and that new pickups grew 24 percent heavier on average from 2000 to 2018. On some heavy-duty trucks, such as the Ford F-250, the front edge of the hood is now 55 inches or more off the ground—as tall as the roof of some sedans


https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/car-safety/the-hidden-danger-of-big-pickup-trucks-a9662450602/#:~:text=A%20CR%20analysis%20of%20industry,average%20from%202000%20to%202018.
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« Reply #3775 on: April 23, 2025, 12:44:46 PM »
So, trucks today are akin to SUVs with a smallish truck bed out back.

I will stipulate LT trucks have grown over the past two decades.  Occasionally I will see an "old" truck and think it a ranger or something when it's an F150, from 1980.
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« Reply #3776 on: April 23, 2025, 12:46:31 PM »
Yeah, and then add in the high weight of some of the EVs due to the batteries, and you've got some vehicles on the road that are SERIOUS porkers. Especially large EV trucks/SUVs. 
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« Reply #3777 on: April 23, 2025, 12:49:59 PM »
I saw the new large Cadillac EV comes in over 10,000 pounds dry before you add gas and oil.

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« Reply #3778 on: April 23, 2025, 12:55:26 PM »
How does all that affect braking systems, if at all?  
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« Reply #3779 on: April 23, 2025, 01:13:11 PM »
Weight of course plays into momentum, and to stop a vehicle means converting that momentum into heat energy (or electrical energy).  Disc brakes are good at this these days, and large vehicles have larger wheels which accomodate larger brake surfaces which can be better at dissipating heat in repeated stops.  But if you lock up the brakes then it comes down to tires, which of course vary some, but larger tires also come on large vehicles.  Then there is weight distribution and weight transfer. The net of all this is usually somewhat extended stopping distances.  But we also have these 18 wheeler things that can weigh 80,000 pounds on highways.  This gets a bit complex, but weight alone doesn't translate directly into stopping distances.

newtonian mechanics - Braking distance vs. mass of the vehicle - Physics Stack Exchange

Does weight affect braking distance for transport trucks?

Does the braking distance of a car depend on weight of the car? | ResearchGate
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