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utee94

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« Reply #2772 on: July 22, 2024, 12:26:59 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on July 22, 2024, 12:22:48 PM
NIL income is taxable, right?  And expensible on the other end?
Yup, it's just standard legal payment for the use of your NIL for all practical purposes.

Quote from: FearlessF on July 22, 2024, 12:22:16 PM
unless its a bag of money from a source that the university might not be proud to be a supporter

keep it on the down low

and if it's reported through NIL it's gonna be taxed
nobody likes paying taxes

somethings are just better not reported

I think you think there are a lot more of these deals than there actually are, and especially will be, in the future.  It's a pittance compared to the above-the-table money.  So I guess even if it does happen as frequently as you're suggesting, it'll be insignificant as an "inducement" and so why bother discussing it?  

If the concern is that collectives are end-arounding the pay-for-play rules and using NIL as an inducement, then that's a far larger concern than whatever under-the-table stuff is occurring now, or in the future.
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« Reply #2773 on: July 22, 2024, 12:33:06 PM »
oh, I agree it's a small percentage

just pointing out that there's NO way of tracking all money going to athletes

on the up and up or otherwise

I'd just track # of highly rated recruits and transfers coming and going

Dylan Raiola said flipping from Georgia to UNL had nothing to do with NIL.
could be true, could be false - 
I'd suppose most players if smart, ...... wouldn't want the public to know how much $$$ they get and from whom.
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« Reply #2774 on: July 22, 2024, 12:36:46 PM »
If some local car dealer wants to influence a players commitment, he'll do it with NIL.  He can write it off, he gets some advertising benefit, and the player pays the taxes.

Maybe the "bags of cash" are still around because some "drug dealers" can't easily spend their millions otherwise.  They need a car wash.  But then they buy a car wash, pay the player via NIL, and suddenly their business jumps through the roof, a cash business.
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« Reply #2775 on: July 22, 2024, 12:38:58 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on July 22, 2024, 12:33:06 PM
oh, I agree it's a small percentage

just pointing out that there's NO way of tracking all money going to athletes

on the up and up or otherwise

I'd just track # of highly rated recruits and transfers coming and going

Dylan Raiola said flipping from Georgia to UNL had nothing to do with NIL.
could be true, could be false -
I'd suppose most players if smart, ...... wouldn't want the public to know how much $$$ they get and from whom.

Maybe, unless they want to induce bidding.  I'd say it's probably a positive for a recruit, if the perceived amount of NIL he's getting is very high, and even much higher than he's actually getting, to drive up his own price in the market place.

Similarly it's probably good for schools to have a perception of having much higher NIL expenditures than they actually do, in order to drive up the market prices that competing schools are being forced to spend to obtain players when there's a direct recruiting battle at hand. 
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« Reply #2776 on: July 22, 2024, 12:42:07 PM »
The tactic I'd try and use is to keep my high NIL beneficiaries off scholarship, saving those 'ships for additional players who were walkons, but useful to have on the team and on a scholarship, because they aren't getting any NIL.

I know you can only dress so many, but I suspect coaches would like having more players "locked down".
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« Reply #2777 on: July 22, 2024, 12:45:35 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on July 22, 2024, 12:38:58 PM
Maybe, unless they want to induce bidding.  I'd say it's probably a positive for a recruit, if the perceived amount of NIL he's getting is very high, and even much higher than he's actually getting, to drive up his own price in the market place.

Similarly it's probably good for schools to have a perception of having much higher NIL expenditures than they actually do, in order to drive up the market prices that competing schools are being forced to spend to obtain players when there's a direct recruiting battle at hand.

all this can be done through the agent
doesn't need to be public knowledge - facebook

but, some will do this.  some kids like the spotlight and attention
it's not smart IMO, but that's like just my opinion, man.
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« Reply #2778 on: July 22, 2024, 12:48:47 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on July 22, 2024, 12:42:07 PM
The tactic I'd try and use is to keep my high NIL beneficiaries off scholarship, saving those 'ships for additional players who were walkons, but useful to have on the team and on a scholarship, because they aren't getting any NIL.

I know you can only dress so many, but I suspect coaches would like having more players "locked down".
Yeah, I'm surprised we haven't seen more of this. 

I do worry a bit that there are some big-headed athletes out there who might look at this and think "oh, the NIL folks are going to give me $1.2M/year but the school is too f'ing cheap to give me a scholarship! That's disrespect! I'll go to the other guys." But I'm sure that's only a thing if the other guys are offering $1.2M PLUS the scholarship...

I do think it might trend this way, though. 
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« Reply #2779 on: July 22, 2024, 12:49:57 PM »
I'd rather have $1.2 M a year and no scholarship than $1 M a year and a 'ship.
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« Reply #2780 on: July 22, 2024, 12:52:00 PM »
a smart QB might take the 1.2 and instead of thinking it's disrespect, thinks it might help get a walk-on O-lineman or TE or WR that can help him win another game or two
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« Reply #2781 on: July 22, 2024, 12:54:10 PM »
I wouldn't want a dumb QB.  He could go to Nebraska for all I care.
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« Reply #2782 on: July 22, 2024, 12:54:56 PM »
well, football smart and book smart are two very different things
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« Reply #2783 on: July 22, 2024, 12:55:11 PM »
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« Reply #2784 on: July 22, 2024, 12:56:46 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on July 22, 2024, 12:54:10 PM
I wouldn't want a dumb QB.  He could go to Nebraska for all I care.
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