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« Reply #2758 on: July 22, 2024, 10:40:11 AM »
Miami is in the very top area for talent in the country.  It's amazing that even that isn't enough w/o the right HC.
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« Reply #2759 on: July 22, 2024, 10:42:22 AM »
Miami is in the very top area for talent in the country.  It's amazing that even that isn't enough w/o the right HC.
The right head coach makes all the difference to all programs.
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« Reply #2760 on: July 22, 2024, 10:58:05 AM »
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« Reply #2761 on: July 22, 2024, 11:39:23 AM »
Yeah my NIL "insider" buddy recently suggested that Texas is currently at maybe 1/10th of where it will be in the next 6-8 years with respect to NIL money.
Are there any hard numbers when it comes to NIL today?  I know $30 million was floated around for Texas A&M when we had that recruiting class, which I thought was ridiculous and false. I’ve heard it was closer to $5 million total. I also seem to remember it was supposed to be made public, but the University hasn’t been transparent about it. None of them, not just A&M. 

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« Reply #2762 on: July 22, 2024, 11:43:20 AM »
Are there any hard numbers when it comes to NIL today?  I know $30 million was floated around for Texas A&M when we had that recruiting class, which I thought was ridiculous and false. I’ve heard it was closer to $5 million total. I also seem to remember it was supposed to be made public, but the University hasn’t been transparent about it. None of them, not just A&M.
No they keep it hidden pretty well.  Since it's a private contract between a private company and a private citizen, and the university athletic departments technically aren't supposed to have anything to do with it, then I don't think anyone can be compelled to make the dollar amounts public.  Anything you see is just a guess.


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« Reply #2763 on: July 22, 2024, 11:44:10 AM »
the money doesn't go through the university
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« Reply #2764 on: July 22, 2024, 11:44:32 AM »
Are there any hard numbers when it comes to NIL today?  I know $30 million was floated around for Texas A&M when we had that recruiting class, which I thought was ridiculous and false. I’ve heard it was closer to $5 million total. I also seem to remember it was supposed to be made public, but the University hasn’t been transparent about it. None of them, not just A&M.
Well NIL isn't supposed to be a university expenditure, so I'm not sure how they would bear the responsibility for publicizing the numbers. 

The idea of NIL was to allow athletes to profit from their NIL, i.e. getting spots in commercials, maybe doing ads for local businesses, etc. Profiting from their fame. The idea was that like Olympic athletes, they're not "paid to play", but they're not barred from making money off who they are. This whole "NIL collective" thing was just some bullsh!t end-around to get to pay for play. 

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« Reply #2765 on: July 22, 2024, 11:46:09 AM »
Due to university compliance issues, I'd assume the universities know, and then any compliance officers from the state or NCAA would also be made aware.

But since the contracts themselves are private, they can't publicly disclose those details.

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« Reply #2766 on: July 22, 2024, 11:48:34 AM »
Well NIL isn't supposed to be a university expenditure, so I'm not sure how they would bear the responsibility for publicizing the numbers.

The idea of NIL was to allow athletes to profit from their NIL, i.e. getting spots in commercials, maybe doing ads for local businesses, etc. Profiting from their fame. The idea was that like Olympic athletes, they're not "paid to play", but they're not barred from making money off who they are. This whole "NIL collective" thing was just some bullsh!t end-around to get to pay for play.

True but ultimately there's no way to avoid it, without it being illegal discrimination against a specific class of citizens.

Legally there never should have been ANY rules against it, as ownership of one's own NIL is a personal right that no government or other organizing body like the NCAA, ever had any authority to abridge.

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« Reply #2767 on: July 22, 2024, 11:56:54 AM »
I agree it's unavoidable.  It's might be more manageable with a different system more coordinated with the University, but that model would also have flaws.  

My point was about Miami and their chance of recovery.  They are supposed to be pretty good this season.  And with NIL, a program can turn around at least recruiting with some deep pockets interested.  They won't be able necessarily to find the right coaches.

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« Reply #2768 on: July 22, 2024, 12:15:33 PM »
Due to university compliance issues, I'd assume the universities know, and then any compliance officers from the state or NCAA would also be made aware.

But since the contracts themselves are private, they can't publicly disclose those details.

I'm not so sure every athlete is going to disclose every bag of money they receive regardless of the wishes of the coaching staff.

especially if there is a question of how that particular bag of money might be perceived by the NCAA or just public opinion 
whether it's a "contract" or a handshake, if it's private, there's no reason to disclose it to the university

"hey, the new QB recruit is driving a new sporty car.  So what, NIL."
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« Reply #2769 on: July 22, 2024, 12:18:56 PM »
I'm not so sure every athlete is going to disclose every bag of money they receive regardless of the wishes of the coaching staff.

especially if there is a question of how that particular bag of money might be perceived by the NCAA or just public opinion
whether it's a "contract" or a handshake, if it's private, there's no reason to disclose it to the university

"hey, the new QB recruit is driving a new sporty car.  So what, NIL."
If it's true NIL then there's no reason not to disclose it.  And true NIL deals are already beginning to dwarf the old bags of cash, in another few years it won't even be close.

A decade from now there will be no reason to accept under-the-table bags when the legit NIL stuff will be much greater and completely acceptable.

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« Reply #2770 on: July 22, 2024, 12:22:16 PM »
unless its a bag of money from a source that the university might not be proud to be a supporter

keep it on the down low

and if it's reported through NIL it's gonna be taxed
nobody likes paying taxes

somethings are just better not reported
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« Reply #2771 on: July 22, 2024, 12:22:48 PM »
NIL income is taxable, right?  And expensible on the other end?

 

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