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« Reply #2590 on: July 04, 2024, 08:36:53 AM »
This place is turning into the Big 12 place.
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« Reply #2591 on: July 04, 2024, 08:40:45 AM »
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« Reply #2592 on: July 04, 2024, 09:00:48 AM »
Oyster Bar & Shellfish Market | Fanny Bay Oysters, British Columbia | Fanny Bay Oysters, British Columbia
Oyster Bar & Shellfish Market | Fanny Bay Oysters, British Columbia | Fanny Bay Oysters, British Columbia

Speaking of seafood, we went to Vancouver, BC last year at this time to celebrate my twins' 35th.  The above is near where my daughter lives and she had not tried it, so we went, it was superb.  Who knew they had seafood in Canada?

She told me there is no Mexican anywhere near her at all for some reason.  Probably not many Mexicans either.
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« Reply #2593 on: July 04, 2024, 11:14:24 AM »
I have noticed in life that my assessment of the goodness of a thing often reflects my expectations going in to it.  If I anticipated it a lot, perhaps due to "reviews", I often find it to be mediocre, or disappointing, or even not very good.  I heard all the rave reviews about "Hamilton" for example, and as I noted before really wanted to walk out after 10 minutes.  As for restaurants, I notice IF someone says "This place is great", I may find it "OK", but not transcendent.

So, when I stumble onto exceptions, and some place is highly "rated" by whoever, and I find it indeed is great, or to my liking, I figure I probably am on to something.

Likewise, if we try something that looks to be "maybe OK to not so good", I may be surprised on the upside and OVER rate it.  Then next time I go back, I might find it somewhat meh, still not bad, but not great.

The Girl and Fig restaurant in Sonoma is a good example.  I had been told it was almost like the French Laundry, and was exceptional.  We went with another couple, and I was expecting to be somewhat let down, in fact, in my view, it was exceptional.  And not ridiculously pricey.  It was really really good.

the girl & the fig | French Restaurant in Sonoma, CA (thegirlandthefig.com)
the girl & the fig | French Restaurant in Sonoma, CA (thegirlandthefig.com)

My wife kept talking up this three star place in Marseille and insisting I go with her and her daughter, and maybe I was in a "fowl" mood or something, after being told I HAD to do.  (I dislike being told I HAD to do a thing.)  (No, I don't.  Except death and taxes.)

Around here, I'm trying to go to different places, it's not easy because we have our favorites.  So, we stopped at the Cypress Bar Badge had mentioned (finally), and I thought it would be decent bar food, but it was a notch above that, on a par with the place next door we like.  

So, if someone is running around the country trying to "rank" BBQ places, they probably suffer from this as well.  They go to X which everyone says is fantastic, and they think it's just OK, and vice versa.
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« Reply #2594 on: July 04, 2024, 11:57:08 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on July 04, 2024, 08:40:45 AM
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« Reply #2595 on: July 04, 2024, 12:13:53 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on July 04, 2024, 08:33:12 AM
Yep. I hope the Jamaicans are OK today.
I know, my wife has family there, not sure what their status is.
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« Reply #2596 on: July 04, 2024, 02:31:00 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on July 04, 2024, 07:18:28 AM
All I said is you don't have to search "hard enough" anymore. BWAR hasn't lived in Chicago for decades.

Back then, BBQ was mostly South Side, so you had to 1) look hard and 2) decide if it was safe to go.

Anyway, a buddy of mine owns this place in Palatine, where I moved here from. Good Eats. I'll be eating there next week.

Home - Chicago Culinary Kitchen
I'll admit I haven't lived there in a very long time. 

The way I look at it is this. In most of the country, even big cities, there isn't a "critical mass" of discerning diners for certain cuisines. In these places it doesn't mean that you can't find a good example of that cuisine. It means that "restaurant X" which claims to be that cuisine may not actually be a good example of it, but the restaurant will survive because the locals don't know any better. 

Chicago would be a good example of a city that is known for its Greek food. To me that means if I go to a random Greek restaurant, I expect it to be good. If I go to a random greasy sandwich shop and order a gyro, I expect it to be good. Compare that to here in SoCal. There are good Greek restaurants. But I don't have an inherent trust that a random Greek restaurant here, or a sandwich shop with a gyro sandwich on the menu, is going to be good. 

Now compare that to Austin vs Chicago for BBQ. I would expect that in Austin, you literally cannot open a BBQ joint, be mediocre, and survive. The local diners both know better, and have enough other options, that you will not make it. Whereas in Chicago (or suburbs), I believe you can open a mediocre BBQ joint, and survive. Because BBQ is not ingrained into the culture so a lot of diners simply don't know better. (Note: the same is true for BBQ in SoCal.)

Craft beer has come a long way, but there are examples of this too. Say 15 years ago, if you were in Denver or San Diego, any brewery you go to you'd simply expect it to be good. In Atlanta? Nope. Craft beer culture lagged significantly in much of the South (IMHO due a lot to blue laws--prior to 2005 you couldn't sell beer >6% ABV in Georgia so few craft breweries prioritized selling to Georgia). So you could get away with being a mediocre craft brewery because the audience who sought you out might not know any better. 

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« Reply #2597 on: July 04, 2024, 03:14:28 PM »
Sweetwater Brewery is 27 years old. Started by Denverites. 
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« Reply #2598 on: July 04, 2024, 04:12:57 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on July 04, 2024, 03:14:28 PM
Sweetwater Brewery is 27 years old. Started by Denverites.
I'm not saying they had NO good beer, just like Chicago doesn't NOT have good BBQ joints. I enjoyed some Sweetwater and Terrapin stuff back when I lived there in 2005-2007. I lived in Marietta and I enjoyed Wild Wing Cafe just based on the fact that they actually had a good tap list.

But compared to California, or Denver, or Portland, it was pretty much a beer desert.
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« Reply #2599 on: July 04, 2024, 04:14:10 PM »
Oh, and "started by Denverites" completely proves my point. There wasn't a local beer culture, but transplants from places where beer was plentiful kicked it off. 
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« Reply #2600 on: July 04, 2024, 04:55:22 PM »
Yup. 
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« Reply #2601 on: July 04, 2024, 06:59:39 PM »
Speaking of beer - what's your go to beer? I buy Brewdog's Elvis Juice more than anything else. I prefer IPA's, but I don't love the super boozy ones or the ones that are more bitter than anything. It' called a grapefruit IPA, not sure it tastes much of grapefruit but it is pretty floral and fruity without being sweet. Plus they sell it everywhere.
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« Reply #2602 on: July 04, 2024, 07:02:40 PM »
Sam Adams lager. 
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« Reply #2603 on: July 04, 2024, 09:48:32 PM »

If there were a way to rank states by the percentage of the female population that dress up in a patriotic cowgirl get up on Independence Day, we would win in a landslide. Even Texas would be like "dayam." 
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