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« Reply #2282 on: June 07, 2024, 07:26:07 PM »
Iconic stadia.....historic (not necessarily old) + unique aspect + hosted a strong program (at one time or another) + Extra Credit:  a nickname
The Horseshoe (shape, historic, strong program)
The Big House (massive w/ no separate tiers/levels, historic, strong program)
The Coliseum 
The Swamp
Between the Hedges
Saturday Night in Tiger Stadium
Death Valley
Camp Randall (Jump Around)
Beaver Stadium (White Out)
The Old Orange Bowl

If you are in a stadium or hear its name, it conjures multiple images.  That's iconic.
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« Reply #2283 on: June 08, 2024, 07:14:52 AM »
I would personally add Nebraska, Texas, Tennessee, Mitchie, Iowa, Auburn, Washington ... maybe a few others, but the term, to me, is not very clear, so any ranking will also be personal preference.

I'm not sure it means just where teams that have been recently good play.

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« Reply #2284 on: June 08, 2024, 08:39:36 AM »
The History
Camp Randall Stadium and its grounds had a rich history prior to its affiliation with Wisconsin athletics.
In the days before the Civil War, the site was owned by the Wisconsin Agricultural Society, which held its annual state fair on the grounds. 
When hostilities broke out in 1861, the society gave the land to the government for a major military training center. More than 70,000 troops attended training drills at the Camp Randall complex.
After peace was restored nationally, the land was returned to state fair property. The fair later moved to Milwaukee, and Wisconsin's Civil War veterans urged the legislature to purchase the land. In 1893, the state presented the site to the university as a memorial athletic field.


Intercollegiate athletics began on campus in 1881, and football joined the scene in 1889. The first games were played on the lower part of campus. The stadium was built at its present site in 1913. A tragic collapse of the wooden bleachers in 1915 prompted the UW to make plans for concrete stands.


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« Reply #2285 on: June 08, 2024, 08:46:43 AM »
Here's a case for "iconic" with a program that has been historically decent, but isn't today.  Is this place iconic?  It's old, and pretty run down in my view.

Cozily nestled in the shadow of Atlanta’s skyline, Bobby Dodd Stadium at Hyundai Field is easily one of the nation’s most unique and historic settings for college football. The venerable facility — the oldest on-campus stadium in NCAA Division I FBS — opened in 1913 and 2023 will be its 111th season as the home of Georgia Tech football.
The Georgia Tech students who built the stadium more than 100 years ago wouldn’t recognize the home of Tech football if they saw it now. Not only has the skyline around the stadium changed dramatically, but the facility has steadily grown and improved during its rich history. Today’s Bobby Dodd Stadium seats 55,000 fans in a modern, comfortable facility that embraces the tradition that has made Tech’s venerable stadium a cornerstone of college football for more than a century. It is located in the heart of Georgia Tech’s midtown Atlanta campus, bordered by Techwood Drive on the east, North Avenue on the south and Bobby Dodd Way on the north.
Tech actually began playing football on the site in 1905, but in 1913, the original concrete west stands were largely built by Tech students and seated 5,600. The concrete east stands were completed in time for the 1924 season. A year later, the south stands were finished, bringing the seating capacity of the horseshoe-shaped stadium to approximately 30,000. The west stands were rebuilt in 1944 to up capacity to 44,000, followed by the addition of stands in the north end zone in 1958 and upper decks on the east (1962) and west sides (1968), which brought the stadium’s capacity to an all-time high of 58,121. Stadium capacity dipped to 46,000 in 1985 following the removal of seats in the south end zone to make way for the Wardlaw Center, but after a major renovation project from 2001-03, which included bowling in and adding an upper deck to the north end of the facility, capacity moved to its current 55,000.


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« Reply #2286 on: June 08, 2024, 08:58:32 AM »
Memorial Stadium was built after a now legendary fund raising effort conducted by the Nebraska Alumni Association.

When Roscoe Pound returned to Lincoln from attending law school at Harvard, he encouraged students at the University of Nebraska to embrace the exciting new sport of football. Pound witnessed the Harvard and Yale game in 1889 and was fascinated with the game, and with the enthusiasm it generated. Chancellor Canfield also encouraged the sport, seeing it as a means of building public good will for the University. Within a few years, football fever had seized the citizens of the state. An organized team was in place as early as 1890, and was formalized with a volunteer coach within a year.

Earliest organized football games held on the University campus were played on the first field which ran parallel to 10th street within the original campus boundaries. When D B Brace planned his new Physics Laboratory in 1904, the footprint of the building plan was altered so as not to interfere with the playing field. Once the building was constructed, it became apparent that it cramped the field and limited space for the growing number of fans. Consequently, the new Mechanical Engineering Laboratories (Richards Hall) was built on the north end of the old field a few years later, and another, larger, parcel of land was purchased to the north of T street in 1908. This would become the site of Nebraska Field, and later, Memorial Stadium.

Unlike Memorial Stadium, Nebraska Field was oriented from east to west. A covered grandstand was located on the north side of the field along U street, uncovered bleachers backed up to T street on the south. This field served the football team until 1923, when Memorial Stadium was quickly constructed on the same site, which had expanded to the north. Many now famous games were played on the old field, including the 1922 defeat of Notre Dame, against Knute Rockne's Four Horsemen, although the name wasn't applied to them until the 1924 season. Notre Dame's George "the Gipper" Gipp competed againt the Cornhuskers, and was victorious, in 1920. The great Guy Chamberlain, collegiate All American and Pro Football Hall of Famer from Blue Springs, Nebraska, played exclusively on the old Nebraska Field.

Talk of improved athletic facilities had started before the first World War. By 1922 the demand for tickets to football games was so great that the Alumni Association embarked on a massive fundraising campaign to build a new stadium. During the post WWI era, many universities were building memorials to fallen soldiers, including many stadiums. Kansas had completed a new stadium just a year before. Cal's new stadium was said to be worth a million dollars, with a seating capacity of 72,000. Nebraska students and alumni wanted to build a memorial of their own.

By spring, 1923, the Nebraska Memorial Association, an incorporated building committee of the Nebraska Alumni Association, had enough pledges and cash on hand to commence with the building of the stadium. George Holmes, President of First National Bank, took a risk and backed the Alumni Association with a loan secured only with student and citizen pledges, and future gate receipts. Ground breaking ceremonies took place in the rain on April 26, 1923, with Chancellor Avery plowing the earth with a team of horses. In June the cornerstone laying ceremony was held during Round Up, the annual alumni event. By October, the stadium was ready for its first game, played against Oklahoma, which Nebraska won, 24-0. The following week on Oct. 20, the Stadium was dedicated during Homecoming festivities, and Nebraska and Kansas tied, 0-0. CR Richard, former Dean of Engineering and President of Lehigh University, gave the Dedication address.

The Alumni Association selected two architecture firms to desgin the stadium. John Latenser Jr, whose father had designed the Temple building twenty years earlier, represented John Latenser and Sons of Omaha and Ellery Davis, a partner in Davis & Wilson. Both Davis and Latenser donated their services, saving approximately $25,000 on costs. Both architects, along with Earl Hawkins of Parsons Construction Co., who also served as construction supervisor, were honored at a large banquet following the first season.

Originally the Alumni Association intended to build a larger and more elaborate structure which would serve not only as a stadium, but also a gymnasium, war museum, and gathering place for veterans, all at a cost of one million dollars. By 1922 it became clear that this was an unrealistic goal, given that the legislature had voted to cut the $250,000 appropriation made ealier in the session. A new and more realistic goal of $450,000 was set, and all of it was to be raised through donations.

Inscribed on the four corners of the stadium are the following words, written by former UNL professor of philosophy Hartley Burr Alexander:

Southeast: "In Commemoration of the men of Nebraska who served and fell in the Nations Wars."
Southwest: "Not the victory but the action; Not the goal but the game; In the deed the glory."
Northwest: "Courage; Generosity; Fairness; Honor; In these are the true awards of manly sport."
Northeast: "Their Lives they held their countrys trust; They kept its faith; They died its heroes."

The stadium site consisted of only the east and west stands for over twenty years. In the 1940's the Field House was completed, and in the 1960s a series of expansions began that increased the Stadium's capacity to over 70,000. In 2006 the most recent expansion, including the Osborne Athletic Complex, was completed, increasing the Stadium capacity to over 81,000.
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« Reply #2287 on: June 08, 2024, 05:07:35 PM »
The name Bobby Dodd is more iconic than the stadium, because GT has done jack shit in football.  Even their only NC was just 'meh'.
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« Reply #2288 on: June 08, 2024, 06:00:51 PM »
My guess is that 95%+ of CFB fans, if you asked them the name of Purdue's stadium, would have no clue. 

And that 90%+, if you asked them what school played in Ross-Ade Stadium, would have no clue. 

And that 50%+ of Big Ten fans, at least, also couldn't answer either question. 

So I'd say it's about the antonym of iconic. 

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« Reply #2289 on: June 08, 2024, 06:29:41 PM »
who's  Ross-Ade??
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« Reply #2290 on: June 08, 2024, 06:32:21 PM »
Pharmacy.  

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« Reply #2291 on: June 08, 2024, 08:19:55 PM »
My guess is that 95%+ of CFB fans, if you asked them the name of Purdue's stadium, would have no clue.

And that 90%+, if you asked them what school played in Ross-Ade Stadium, would have no clue.

And that 50%+ of Big Ten fans, at least, also couldn't answer either question.

So I'd say it's about the antonym of iconic.
I was thinking Ross-Ade could have some cache, with all the upsets the Boilers have had.  But I guess it doesn't really measure up to just being really good over time.  
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« Reply #2292 on: June 09, 2024, 08:11:09 AM »

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« Reply #2293 on: June 09, 2024, 08:13:55 AM »
a fool and his money
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« Reply #2294 on: June 09, 2024, 08:14:55 AM »
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« Reply #2295 on: June 09, 2024, 08:47:48 AM »
Quite a few professors back when at UGA hailed from Yale, so the two schools played several times in the '20s.  The last time was the first game played at the then new Sanford Stadium in 1929.  The stadium resides in a natural valley, over a creek actually, between what now is North and South Campus and is oriented E-W.  There was a RR track embankment on the east end where folks would sit for free, called the Track People, known for being rowdy.  It would get packed for big games.  The west end is open today and a bridge is now present affording an open view into the stadium.  I walked across said bridge often going from North to South campus, the former being the old part mostly nonscience stuff and the latter being sciency and math and newer.  There is resistance to closing in the wast end as it would take away that view, for what it's worth.  As with many older stadia, the improvements today are mostly around making bathrooms and luxoboxes nicer.

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Yale was a powerhouse of college football from the 1870’s, up until the 1930’s. They even claim 27 National Championships as they, with Princeton, were the sport’s first dynasties. But through their relationship with Georgia, Yale in many ways passed the torch to UGA.
By the late 1920’s, the debate about scholarships in college athletics had reached a boiling point. Four factions comprised this debate. Some schools, including Georgia, wanted to build teams with scholarships, regardless of a prospects grades and test scores.
Other schools, including Yale, wanted to maintain a high academic standard for who they rewarded scholarships to. The last factions wanted to keep scholarships out of athletics, or at least not offer full ride’s to student athletes.

The results of this debate changed the course of college football. It directly led to the formation of the SEC in 1932, and a new batch of powerhouses taking over through the 1920’s and 30’s. The Ivy League and other academic-minded schools no longer controlled the sport. Now, champions were built through competitive recruiting.
In 1927, Georgia found its first major success in the evolving college football climate. After getting whipped by Yale in four games from 1923-to-1926, the Bulldogs upset Yale 14-10 on the road in 1927. Both teams went on to claim a share of the National Championship for that season.
Yale got their revenge in 1928, and in 1929 they traveled to Athens for the first time to play the first game in the new Sanford Stadium. Georgia upset Yale again 15-0. Georgia won the next four meetings, all in New Haven.

In many ways, to understand the evolution of college football in this era, you only need to look at the Georgia vs. Yale series. Beginning in the early 1920’s when Georgia was a southern powerhouse, but when Yale was a national powerhouse. Yale owned the series.

Then, Georgia won their first national title as Yale won one of their last. And the series ended with Georgia riding into a new era of college football known for recruiting, big stadiums and rabid fan bases. while Yale faded into the background with other Ivy League schools still clinging to their beliefs that all schools shouldn’t lower academic requirements for athletic success.





 

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