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Gigem

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« Reply #1442 on: November 29, 2023, 04:59:52 PM »
This is really what's driving CFB (as we all know):


https://twitter.com/slmandel/status/1729906888819798303

World Series games by comparison:





Notice how the highest rated games are far in the past.  It's well known that an average NFL game attracts more viewers than any MLB game.  Now college is edging up.  
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« Reply #1443 on: November 29, 2023, 05:00:35 PM »
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« Reply #1444 on: November 30, 2023, 01:18:46 PM »
The playoff group is still pretty in flux. 

Georgia-Alabama
Michigan-Iowa
Texas-Okie State
Louisville-FSU
Oregon-Washington

All of these drastically impact the field and really and no one is safely in

The easiest thing is Georgia, Michigan, Washington, and FSU win. They would all be in with little controversy as all would be undefeated champs. The wildest is if Alabama wins, because they would almost certainly be in as the SEC champ, but makes for big questions on what you do with Georgia and Texas (who, if you remember, beat Bama handily at Bama). If all the favorites win except for Georgia, who is your field and in what order?

I'd go:

  • Michigan
  • Alabama
  • Washington
  • FSU



That would be a dream scenario for Michigan. The worst scenario (besides actually losing) is if FSU loses and committee convinces themselves to put in Georgia over Texas. 

Of course, we also still have a two team hope, which only happens, IMO, if Georgia and Michigan win and FSU and Texas lose. Then the ranking would be:

  • Georgia
  • Michigan
  • Washington/Oregon
  • Ohio State

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« Reply #1445 on: November 30, 2023, 01:21:43 PM »
Those all sound terrible.

Let's have Texas win, and FSU lose, and all other undefeated teams win.  Then it's:

Georgia
Michigan
Washington 
Texas

Yup, works for me.
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« Reply #1446 on: November 30, 2023, 01:37:56 PM »
If UGA loses, they should be out of the discussion IMHO.  If every other favorite wins, I'd have the 3 UNDs and Texas personally.
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« Reply #1447 on: November 30, 2023, 03:00:58 PM »
order of comfort, should they win:

1 - uga, wash, mich, fsu  -all are undefeated and are obviously in with a win, no controversy.



2 - texas - best win of 1-losses, h2h vs another contender, resume is arguable but it's not 'worse' than others.
3 - bama and oregon - similar 1 loss teams, similar losses, bama wins 'look' better but oregon 'looks' better on eye test.



4 - osu - they can't be a p5 champ, which reaaaally hurts them. outside chance, but need a lot to happen. need mich/uga/wash to win, ut and fsu to lose. leaves them as the lone 1 loss team out there, and the bigxii and acc champs are basically out already.
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« Reply #1448 on: November 30, 2023, 03:11:17 PM »
the texas/bama/oregon argument is interesting to me. seems like if it's narrowed down to 2 (1 of them losses, other 2 win) then each team has a trump card over another. kinda like a rock/paper/scissors game.

oregon loses, bama and texas win, it's easy. texas has the h2h, they go.

texas loses, oregon/bama win, not as easy but sec bias and a stronger resume likely gives bama a fairly good edge here.

bama loses, texas/oregon win, biggest conundrum imo. texas no longer has the 'best win' and their resumes would converge some (not sure how much). texas also has easily the worst loss of the bunch. texas probably has edge in overall resume, but a big win vs a cfp contender right at end, not to mention it's a redemption win, likely gives oregon the nod. maybe also a little bias for the final p12 full conf season.
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« Reply #1449 on: November 30, 2023, 03:20:57 PM »
Texas' schedule >>> Oregon's and it's not close. 

Say Michigan wins, Georgia wins, FSU wins, and they're all in.  If Texas and Oregon both win, Texas should get the 4th spot over Oregon with no hesitation.  Oregon may have the better loss, but that's the same BS that was used to get Bama in over Okie St. in 2011.  It's literally 1 bullet point on a resume of many bullet points.  And Texas has numerous points to its advantage compared to Oregon. 

That how it should work.  How it will work may be an entirely different story.  
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« Reply #1450 on: November 30, 2023, 03:32:35 PM »
ESPN wants Oregon for better ratings, or so I've been told ....
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« Reply #1451 on: November 30, 2023, 03:35:57 PM »
I'd think Texas draws excellent ratings just due to their massive fanbase alone, but what do I know. 

Don't mind me.  I'm a complete Oregon hater at the moment.  
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« Reply #1452 on: November 30, 2023, 03:43:45 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on November 30, 2023, 03:32:35 PM
ESPN wants Oregon for better ratings, or so I've been told ....

Ha!

Quote from: MikeDeTiger on November 30, 2023, 03:35:57 PM
I'd think Texas draws excellent ratings just due to their massive fanbase alone, but what do I know. 

Don't mind me.  I'm a complete Oregon hater at the moment. 

FearlessCD is stirring the pot.

Texas would certainly draw more eyeballs than Oregon.
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« Reply #1453 on: November 30, 2023, 03:48:34 PM »
Speaking of ratings, this is shaping up to be the first, last, and only year, where the ACC championship is actually a game anyone cares about. ESPECIALLY if Oregon and Texas have already won on Friday night and Saturday afternoon.

I'm not sure the outcome of the Georgia/Alabama game would affect how many eyes are glued to FSU, since a lot of people are assuming the winner of that game is in, anyway.

But man, FSU-Lvl just might outdraw Michigan-Iowa in the primetime timeslot. Wouldn't THAT be something?
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« Reply #1454 on: November 30, 2023, 03:51:09 PM »
I will root for Laville in that one just to mess things up.  And FSU hasn't beaten anybody.:57:
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« Reply #1455 on: November 30, 2023, 04:22:30 PM »

Quote from: MikeDeTiger on November 30, 2023, 03:20:57 PM
Texas' schedule >>> Oregon's and it's not close. 

Say Michigan wins, Georgia wins, FSU wins, and they're all in.  If Texas and Oregon both win, Texas should get the 4th spot over Oregon with no hesitation.  Oregon may have the better loss, but that's the same BS that was used to get Bama in over Okie St. in 2011.  It's literally 1 bullet point on a resume of many bullet points.  And Texas has numerous points to its advantage compared to Oregon. 

That how it should work.  How it will work may be an entirely different story. 
schedule, yes, resume, probably but it's not as far off as you make it.

oregon will have the best win, a 'better' loss, and they will have avenged that loss

oregon will have wins over a top 10 team and a top 20 team, their lone loss will be to a top 10 team that they beat in a rematch and originally only lost on road by 3.

texas will have wins over a 10-15 ranked bama, 20-25 ranked ok st, and a #25 ksu. their lone loss will be to #12 ou by 1 score neutral site.

those aren't world apart. and the big win this week vs a top 3 (current) team when it's also avenging their loss, that's a strong narrative.

fwiw, i'd have texas in but i don't think that's clearly what should or will happen. mostly i'd have them in cause i picked them to win the title preseason lol
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