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OrangeAfroMan

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Re: Rankings ... ugh
« Reply #1078 on: September 21, 2023, 09:43:00 PM »
What I've always wondered...


  • God is omniscient and omnipotent.
  • God knows the past, the present, and the future (being omniscient). To think that God's knowledge is limited by the constraints of traveling through geological time is not giving him true omniscience.
  • This would imply that God knows in advance every decision I make in my life, because for me to make any decision contrary to God's knowledge would make Him wrong, and being omniscient he cannot be wrong.
  • This means that there cannot be such a thing as "free will", because I can only make the decisions God has already known I will make.
  • God created the universe. He is omnipotent, so he could choose to make the universe in any way he likes.
  • He clearly liked the one he made, hence why the religious always talk about things, bad or good, being "God's plan".
  • Since he is omniscient and omnipotent, his PLAN for the universe is such that every sin I commit, he has preordained that I will commit, and that I have no free will to do (or think) otherwise.
  • In fact, his preordained plan thus must be that I was to be an atheist, to *NOT* accept Jesus as my savior, and his plan is responsible for that and every other thing that has occurred in my life. I have no autonomy in any of it.


Which leads me to...

  • If God accepts that he has made me flawed as I am, then a benevolent God would not punish me with eternal damnation simply for doing what he literally created me to do, and cannot choose otherwise.
  • If God, knowing he full well could have created a universe where I either didn't commit the sins he is holding me accountable for, or chosen to create a universe where I never existed (and thus didn't need to be punished), STILL chooses to punish me with eternal damnation? Well, then God is an ass.


If it's the former, then I'll see y'all in heaven. If it's the latter, well, who would want to believe in that asshole God anyway?
Maybe he should've created a universe with no atheists. 
Or one without slavery.
Or if it's the christian god, maybe put that slavery is bad in your book.
Or maybe avoid explaining how to own slaves in your book.

It's all a sick joke.  Tradition.  Threats of suffering and promises of grandeur.  Gross.
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Re: Rankings ... ugh
« Reply #1079 on: September 22, 2023, 06:00:11 AM »
I don't really understand why folks want to convince others they have the answer when it comes to religion.  I understand some forms of Christianity are evangelical, OK, got it, but I'd think atheists by and large would be OK with allowing others to believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster if they so choose, and don't bother the atheists.

I also think if any of us grew up in Japan or Pakistan or India or preColumbian South America, we'd likely believe something different.

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« Reply #1080 on: September 22, 2023, 06:06:02 AM »
I was once out working on my car when this elderly fellow in a suit walks up.  Turns out he was a JW.  He said a few things and gave me some leaflet (which I glanced at and tossed).  As it was a hot day, I offered him a glass of water, outside.  OK, he said.

A couple weeks later he shows up again, I'm out in the yard, he has a young female in tow, and invites me to their weekly seance and gives me another pamphlet, I'm a bit more brusque this time, but he leaves, no big deal.  He showed up a last time now with a young male in tow and invites me, and I say I'm busy thanks, close the door.  He never showed again, no big deal to me.

I read a paragraph or two on line about JWism just out of curiosity, don't recall any of it now.  I've heard folks say they can get annoying.  I'm old enough to recall the Hare Krishnas in various airports singing and chanting.  There isn't any of that sort of thing around here that I've noted.  A couple of churches have gay flags flying outside, most I'd say do not.  This used to be a kind of "church row" as it was heavily residential, and the churches still stand amidst the sky scrapers.

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« Reply #1081 on: September 22, 2023, 06:54:32 AM »
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« Reply #1082 on: September 22, 2023, 07:56:57 AM »
Nebraska 42?

Volleyball must be making more money than I thought 
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« Reply #1083 on: September 22, 2023, 08:09:00 AM »
One of these is not like the others.

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« Reply #1084 on: September 22, 2023, 08:24:33 AM »
What is meant by "donor"?  They have donors?  They are donors?  

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« Reply #1085 on: September 22, 2023, 08:27:43 AM »
I'd like to have some context

if it's athletic dollars per year, then Nebraska is doing a helluva job with little help from donors

maybe dollars going to past fired coaches doesn't count?
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« Reply #1086 on: September 22, 2023, 08:37:42 AM »
What is meant by "donor"?  They have donors?  They are donors? 
Caption is misleading. It's the amount of money donated TO each school over the years.

Oregon has Uncle Phil. oSu had T-Bone. Neither has a playoff appearance, along with Florida, Texas and aTm.
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« Reply #1087 on: September 22, 2023, 08:42:04 AM »
Kinda hard to believe Ohio State at 11.  I don't really know what to make of the ranking, which is fine.

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« Reply #1088 on: September 22, 2023, 08:42:54 AM »
We can argue about it, which is the point.
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« Reply #1089 on: September 22, 2023, 08:49:51 AM »
it's just another stoopid ranking with no detail on what or why
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« Reply #1090 on: September 22, 2023, 09:48:38 AM »
One of these is not like the others.


two them are not like the others. Oregon and Oklahoma State have no business ever being good, but they both have old crusty geriatric prehistoric aged bored billionaires who are super-fans and way too into their college teams being good so they've both went overboard and to the extreme as fuuuuucccch trying to buy success for their teams. At that point- just go buy an NFL team bro.

Michigan at only 15 is kinda sad. They probably have a significantly wealthier alumni base than every school ahead of them on that list except for maybe the Texas schools- and even then they're still probably pretty close. Time for them to hit up their billionaires. What are we doing here guys? F the academics, let's win some god damn football games fellas.

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« Reply #1091 on: September 22, 2023, 10:09:19 AM »
Regarding the existence of God...

I think about this a lot.  If, and that's a big IF, a God creates the universe and all that is within it including the laws of physics and all the atoms and quarks and dark energy and the whole shebang I've always wondered.....where did God come from?  I mean, alpha and omega aside, how did he come into being......is there a higher God that rules over our God?  And if there is a higher God, who made this God? 



And if, another big IF, there was a "Big Bang" and that's what started it all....what came before the Big Bang to make the stuff the Big Bang came from.  And my understanding is that ever since the Big Bang the universe is expanding...but I've often wondered....expanding into WHAT? 

Imagine if we could just answer only 1 of the questions from above. 

How badly do you want me to derail this thread?

 

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