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medinabuckeye1

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« Reply #812 on: August 01, 2023, 12:20:02 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on August 01, 2023, 11:41:52 AM
The 25 biggest college football stadiums in the country | NCAA.com

8 over 100K
Quote from: utee94 on August 01, 2023, 11:46:11 AM
Interesting.  The Cotton Bowl's capacity is 92,100 so it would slot in at 10th, just behind Georgia and just ahead of UCLA/Rose Bowl.
It is interesting the way they group/cluster:
First you have Michigan and Penn State way out front at 107,601 and 106,572 respectively. 

Next come six stadiums that are all within a tight range from #3 Ohio State at 102,780 to #8 Texas at 100,119. aTm, LSU, TN, and Bama are all between tOSU and UT.

Then there is a big drop-off down to Georgia at 92,746. After that each successive next biggest is within a few thousand seats or so.
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« Reply #813 on: August 01, 2023, 12:32:06 PM »
Quote from: medinabuckeye1 on August 01, 2023, 12:20:02 PM
It is interesting the way they group/cluster:
First you have Michigan and Penn State way out front at 107,601 and 106,572 respectively.

Next come six stadiums that are all within a tight range from #3 Ohio State at 102,780 to #8 Texas at 100,119. aTm, LSU, TN, and Bama are all between tOSU and UT.

Then there is a big drop-off down to Georgia at 92,746. After that each successive next biggest is within a few thousand seats or so.

Several of the more recent stadium renovations around the country have actually reduced total capacity while increasing suite/club type seating, because that brings in a lot more cash.

At Texas our recent South Endzone renovation didn't reduce the total capacity, but it also didn't increase it.  If they'd just bowled in the South Endzone to match the North Endzone, the capacity would have been around 120,000.  But they decided to go a different direction and built it out with a lot of luxury suites, clubs, private loges, etc.  Those bring in a lot more revenue than just standard seats for Joe Fan do.
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« Reply #814 on: August 01, 2023, 12:37:14 PM »
Quote from: medinabuckeye1 on August 01, 2023, 11:35:57 AM
Did Tennessee reduce their capacity at some point? I seem to recall theirs being bigger than the Horseshoe.

I guess this is a question for @Drew4UTk ?
Yes,  they did and under the former train wreck of administration who went right at the profits and instant profits instead of long term return... they put in luxury boxes and sold them for rediculous amounts.  
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« Reply #815 on: August 01, 2023, 01:14:59 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on August 01, 2023, 12:32:06 PM
Several of the more recent stadium renovations around the country have actually reduced total capacity while increasing suite/club type seating, because that brings in a lot more cash.

At Texas our recent South Endzone renovation didn't reduce the total capacity, but it also didn't increase it.  If they'd just bowled in the South Endzone to match the North Endzone, the capacity would have been around 120,000.  But they decided to go a different direction and built it out with a lot of luxury suites, clubs, private loges, etc.  Those bring in a lot more revenue than just standard seats for Joe Fan do.
Yep. Wisconsin has gone from 83,000 to 76,000. Quality seats over quantity of seats. And more $$$, of course.

They could have put a second upper deck in, but instead chose luxury boxes. Now the new South end zone seats are all premium.


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« Reply #816 on: August 01, 2023, 01:52:25 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on August 01, 2023, 12:32:06 PM
Several of the more recent stadium renovations around the country have actually reduced total capacity while increasing suite/club type seating, because that brings in a lot more cash.

At Texas our recent South Endzone renovation didn't reduce the total capacity, but it also didn't increase it.  If they'd just bowled in the South Endzone to match the North Endzone, the capacity would have been around 120,000.  But they decided to go a different direction and built it out with a lot of luxury suites, clubs, private loges, etc.  Those bring in a lot more revenue than just standard seats for Joe Fan do.
Quote from: Drew4UTk on August 01, 2023, 12:37:14 PM
Yes,  they did and under the former train wreck of administration who went right at the profits and instant profits instead of long term return... they put in luxury boxes and sold them for rediculous amounts. 
Quote from: 847badgerfan 8/1/2023, 1:14:59 PM

Yep. Wisconsin has gone from 83,000 to 76,000. Quality seats over quantity of seats. And more $$$, of course.

They could have put a second upper deck in, but instead chose luxury boxes. Now the new South end zone seats are all premium.

This is a common theme across the country. The original renovation plan at Ohio State would have reduced capacity to add higher dollar luxury suites but there was such an uproar that they rearranged it so as to not lose any seats. I think I remember the same thing happening at Michigan as well.

Most tOSU fans wanted capacity increased to 107,602 LoL.
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« Reply #817 on: August 01, 2023, 02:26:00 PM »
It won't be long before many of these go empty. 

Rabid fans are no longer being made - at least not like they used to. Kids today show up to be seen. The game doesn't matter to most of them.

And those are your future customers.
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« Reply #818 on: August 01, 2023, 02:27:03 PM »
I think Ohio Stadium went to around 105K before the latest remodel to change suite configuration.
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« Reply #819 on: August 01, 2023, 02:28:36 PM »
Yeah, there has been quite a bit of spending on Sanford Stadium as well, but no more seats.  I can see how basic improvements are timely on a stadium nearing 100 years old (1929).  There has been chatter about expansion for many years now but the Admin seems to want to keep it where it is, and build more luxo boxes.

Sanford Stadium Renovations Bring Praise, Criticism from Fans and Media — Grady Newsource (uga.edu)

The massive construction project will feature improvements to the concession walkways and bathrooms in order to create more seating for premium donors. It will also create a brand new press box near the west end zone.
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« Reply #820 on: August 01, 2023, 02:32:09 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on August 01, 2023, 02:26:00 PM
It won't be long before many of these go empty.

Rabid fans are no longer being made - at least not like they used to. Kids today show up to be seen. The game doesn't matter to most of them.

And those are your future customers.
Yup.  The universities are pricing their future fans out of the market.  My dad took my siblings and me to numerous football games per year, it cost a couple of bucks.  I haven't taken my kids to a Texas home game in 4 or 5 years, it's just too expensive.  I've only been to 4 home games from 2019 to now, and that's because I had a friend with a free ticket (seats that he bought for his corporation to use as a perk for clients).

College football attendance is on a decade-plus decline, although 2022 actually saw an uptick in attendance.  But I don't see that as being sustainable, the trend is the opposite direction, and has been for quite a while.
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« Reply #821 on: August 01, 2023, 02:39:04 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on August 01, 2023, 02:32:09 PM
Yup.  The universities are pricing their future fans out of the market.  My dad took my siblings and me to numerous football games per year, it cost a couple of bucks.  I haven't taken my kids to a Texas home game in 4 or 5 years, it's just too expensive.  I've only been to 4 home games from 2019 to now, and that's because I had a friend with a free ticket (seats that he bought for his corporation to use as a perk for clients).

College football attendance is on a decade-plus decline, although 2022 actually saw an uptick in attendance.  But I don't see that as being sustainable, the trend is the opposite direction, and has been for quite a while.
Agreed.

Future changes to that list are more likely to come from a high ranking school dropping by reducing capacity than from a lower ranking school suddenly jumping up to the top eight.
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« Reply #822 on: August 01, 2023, 02:47:38 PM »
The overall comfort of watching at home for me surpasses the stadium experience.
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« Reply #823 on: August 06, 2023, 09:51:27 AM »
Worst U.S. states to retire in 2023 (cnbc.com)

It could be useful just to note where states "rank" in the various criteria for folks.  Someone might think "I like the weather in North Dakota", so that isn't a factor for them.  The cost of housing isn't a factor if you already own a place there, or if you already live in a very high cost state moving to one in the middle.    

And of course nearly all of us would have different factors and weightings personally.
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« Reply #824 on: August 06, 2023, 09:55:37 AM »
taxes and healthcare are usually high on the list for older folks - universally
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« Reply #825 on: August 06, 2023, 09:58:30 AM »
Yeah, you could lump that into "expenses" of course.  Housing might not be a factor for some.  And for some, paying more is more "affordable" and a choice to live where they want to live.  

A large think for me is walkability, I think it important to walk a lot as we age.
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