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Re: Ranking CFP era performance
« Reply #126 on: March 29, 2023, 03:46:57 PM »
Nobody is close to OSU in overall consistency.  I don't know who might be second.

USC. 


USC is second but Ohio State is so far ahead that #2 USC is about as close to #9 Alabama as they are to #1 Ohio State. 

i might go oklahoma. particularly if we're talking consistency within the ap poll (are we? not sure why i was thinking that).

can't seem to find it now, but ou seemed to edge out bama, mich, nd and usc as the fairly clear second most consistently highly ranked team. bama had the #1, but ou was just behind. osu and ou were almost tied for top 5 consistency, osu dominated the top 10, with ou distant second. same with top 25 overall, but mich and nd came into play. i'm sure usc was in the mix for those as well, just can't remember and can't find the data on quick search.

could probably make a case for all the blue bloods, really. some have few down periods and longer dominance, but down periods last a little longer (mich, nd). some have more down periods, but bounce back quicker (bama, ou). not sure where usc falls in those.

and then there's osu, that just doesn't have a down period. not like the rest of us. don't hit the heights, at least not quite as often, but they're always right there.

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Re: Ranking CFP era performance
« Reply #127 on: March 29, 2023, 03:48:19 PM »
I have a theory that I think explains Ohio State's consistency:


osu doesn't miss on coaches. it's remarkable. there's a feedback loop, of course. good team in good location is gonna make a good coach look like a better coach. but osu has avoided the mismatch or mistake of a hc.

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Re: Ranking CFP era performance
« Reply #128 on: March 29, 2023, 04:34:06 PM »
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Re: Ranking CFP era performance
« Reply #129 on: March 29, 2023, 04:39:06 PM »
He was put in a tough spot. And never named coach. Interim only.
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Re: Ranking CFP era performance
« Reply #130 on: March 29, 2023, 05:09:19 PM »
i might go oklahoma. particularly if we're talking consistency within the ap poll (are we? not sure why i was thinking that).

can't seem to find it now, but ou seemed to edge out bama, mich, nd and usc as the fairly clear second most consistently highly ranked team. bama had the #1, but ou was just behind. osu and ou were almost tied for top 5 consistency, osu dominated the top 10, with ou distant second. same with top 25 overall, but mich and nd came into play. i'm sure usc was in the mix for those as well, just can't remember and can't find the data on quick search.
Here is the site and it is great! Very intuitive and easily searched:
https://collegepollarchive.com/football/index.cfm

You are right, all time #1 appearances:
  • 140 Bama
  • 105 Ohio State
  • 101 Oklahoma
  • 98 Notre Dame
  • 91 USC
  • 72 Florida State
  • 70 Nebraska
  • 68 Miami, FL
  • 45 Texas
  • 41 Florida
Top-5 appearances:
  • 453 Alabama
  • 430 Oklahoma
  • 421 Ohio State
  • 318 Notre Dame
  • 309 Michigan
  • 296 Nebraska
  • 284 USC
  • 267 Texas
  • 243 Florida State
  • 204 Miami, FL
Top-10 appearances:
  • 685 Ohio State
  • 626 Oklahoma
  • 616 Alabama
  • 586 Notre Dame
  • 549 Michigan
  • 518 Nebraska
  • 486 USC
  • 453 Texas
  • 399 Penn State
  • 368 Florida State
All time poll appearances (20 for a lot, 10 for some, 25 recently):
  • 966 Ohio State
  • 903 Michigan
  • 882 Oklahoma
  • 857 Alabama
  • 857 Notre Dame
  • 803 USC
  • 757 Texas
  • 730 Nebraska
  • 678 Penn State
  • 649 LSU


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Re: Ranking CFP era performance
« Reply #131 on: March 29, 2023, 05:22:01 PM »
Putting the above into perspective:

There have been 1217 polls:

  • Ohio State has been ranked in almost 80% of them. 
  • Michigan, Oklahoma, Alabama, and Notre Dame have each been ranked in more than two out of three.
  • Ohio State, Oklahoma, and Alabama have each been in the top-10 in more than half of the polls.
  • Alabama, Oklahoma, and Ohio State have each been in the top-5 in more than one third of the polls.
  • Alabama has been #1 in more than 10% of the polls.


Looked at another way, there were 16 polls in 2022. At that rate:
  • It would take Ohio State more than two years of being #1 in every poll to catch Bama's appearances at #1.
  • It would take Oklahoma more than two years of them being in every top-5 and Alabama not being in the top-5 for them to catch Alabama's top-5 appearances. 
  • It would take Oklahoma more than three years of them being in every top-10 and tOSU not being in the top-10 for them to catch Ohio State's top-10 appearances. 
  • It would take Michigan more than four years of them being ranked in every poll and tOSU being unranked for them to catch Ohio State's appearances. 


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Re: Ranking CFP era performance
« Reply #132 on: March 29, 2023, 05:26:22 PM »
osu doesn't miss on coaches. it's remarkable. there's a feedback loop, of course. good team in good location is gonna make a good coach look like a better coach. but osu has avoided the mismatch or mistake of a hc.
It is a Chicken and Egg question. 

I agree that Ohio State has had a run of good luck in coaching hires really dating back to at least Paul Brown (pre WWII).

 OTOH, the "floor" created by Ohio State's location helps. Even a mismatch/mistake of a HC still stumbles into enough talent to keep winning at a pretty good clip.

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Re: Ranking CFP era performance
« Reply #133 on: March 29, 2023, 09:39:48 PM »
UGA has been consistent from 2021-2022.

I don't think OU has been more consistent than Ohio State.
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Re: Ranking CFP era performance
« Reply #134 on: March 29, 2023, 11:00:33 PM »
It is a Chicken and Egg question.

I agree that Ohio State has had a run of good luck in coaching hires really dating back to at least Paul Brown (pre WWII).

 OTOH, the "floor" created by Ohio State's location helps. Even a mismatch/mistake of a HC still stumbles into enough talent to keep winning at a pretty good clip.
Lots of schools in similarly positioned locations have missed on coaches 

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Re: Ranking CFP era performance
« Reply #135 on: March 30, 2023, 12:50:41 AM »
He was put in a tough spot. And never named coach. Interim only.
He was still really, really bad against everyone except Bert. 
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