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OrangeAfroMan

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Re: Rank these teams
« Reply #168 on: December 16, 2020, 01:21:44 PM »
Man, that’s honestly an uncalled for reaction to a legitimate question.  You mentioned those criteria as a reason a team like Iowa St should be ranked over Cincinnati.  He correctly points out it can be used for a team with a losing record like LSU to be ranked over them, too.

How is that acting like a kid?
Becausssssssse LSU isn't ranked.  And guess why?  Because of its losses!  
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Re: Rank these teams
« Reply #169 on: December 16, 2020, 01:23:24 PM »
Becausssssssse LSU isn't ranked.  And guess why?  Because of its losses! 
Well, and because it’s mostly been bad, which contributes to losses. 

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Re: Rank these teams
« Reply #170 on: December 16, 2020, 01:24:59 PM »
Becausssssssse LSU isn't ranked.  And guess why?  Because of its losses! 
But they played a tough schedule.

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« Reply #171 on: December 16, 2020, 01:27:17 PM »
I understand youse guys are having a helluva good time arguing  

but, we could just wait until Saturday night after the games have been played
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Re: Rank these teams
« Reply #172 on: December 16, 2020, 01:27:38 PM »
Well it's a kids' game. But it's a real question. Iowa State unquestionably played a tougher schedule than Cincinnati. They also lost 2 games. Where is the line? 3 games? 4 games? 5 games? They beat Baylor and Texas by a combined 10 points. If they lose those games, why shouldn't they still be ranked ahead of Cincinnati?
The votes dictate where the line is.  Obviously, if Iowa State lost to either Baylor or Texas (very unequal losses, btw), they'd be ranked lower and probably lower than Cincinnati.


I've talked about this at length previously.  There is a real, factual chasm between P5 and G5.  You asked why even rank G5 teams at all, and you're right - to not rank them would be more honest.  But to provide the illusion of equality, G5 teams are ranked in the top 15 around the middle of the season if they're undefeated.  And if they're up there, they get a crumb from the big kids' table in their bowl game.  And then they go away.

It would be more fair and honest to tell G5 programs that they're in limbo and don't have a realistic shot at the national championship.  Because they're not FCS and not P5, they literally cannot win any national championship (unless they invent their own, like UCF did).  They are in purgatory.  It sucks.  It's dishonest to pretend they have a shot, because they very much do not. 

But bringing it up year after year is boring.  It is what it is.  There are other schools with much more to gripe about than Cincinnati.  Do what Utah did, and until you do, deal with the reality.
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Re: Rank these teams
« Reply #173 on: December 16, 2020, 01:27:43 PM »
We usually have more data by now.

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Re: Rank these teams
« Reply #174 on: December 16, 2020, 01:28:12 PM »
But they played a tough schedule.
You're being obtuse on purpose.  Stop.  
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Re: Rank these teams
« Reply #175 on: December 16, 2020, 01:29:05 PM »
We usually have more data by now.
and we always still argue about it
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Re: Rank these teams
« Reply #176 on: December 16, 2020, 01:29:11 PM »
Obviously, there is overlap between G5 teams and P5 teams.  Some P5s are clearly better than some G5s.


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Re: Rank these teams
« Reply #177 on: December 16, 2020, 01:29:23 PM »
true, all the G5 teams know the reality.

They are all hoping to catch that one season in a decade or two where there are only a few one loss or undefeated P5 teams

then an undefeated G5 team with a "decent" schedule, perhaps a couple solid P5 wins, not Kansas. will be enough to get them past the 2 loss P5 schools and into the top 4.

obviously this is not likely.  If they want their shot, they know how to get in the top 4.  Play a top 4 schedule and win the games.
Play Texas or Oklahoma from the Big 12 or Ohio St. or Penn St or Wisconsin from the Big Ten.  Play Clemson or Auburn or Georgia.

no, those teams have little reason to play a really good G5 team.  Play those P5 teams in their house and don't ask for a check.
Otherwise the G5 teams can continue to whine and bitch this time of year.
The demand will always outpace the reality.

1. Schedule like nobody does
2. Get the right year when you are awesome
3. Win all the those games or you’re out

Amd most years, I don’t totally care. Hell, this year there will probably be not much good reason to put Cincy in. But I shrug at this rush to say, “we don’t have enough good teams, let us lower the standard until we let in this other team.” In the end, whose ass gets kicked isn’t the biggest deal, but as long as we all agree some people are unable to earn the spot no matter what, then we’re probably on equal ground. (The follow would be to say if you can’t earn the spot no matter what, there’s not much need for it to be a referendum on that team, but I know that would irk some).

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Re: Rank these teams
« Reply #178 on: December 16, 2020, 01:29:43 PM »
and we always still argue about it
No we don't, we never argue about rankings here, except this year.

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Re: Rank these teams
« Reply #179 on: December 16, 2020, 01:29:54 PM »
You're being obtuse on purpose.  Stop. 
He’s stealing your move!

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Re: Rank these teams
« Reply #180 on: December 16, 2020, 01:31:04 PM »
Obviously, there is overlap between G5 teams and P5 teams.  Some P5s are clearly better than some G5s.


Sure. 

But the problem with that is those G5 teams play MUCH weaker schedules every year than the lowly P5 programs.  So they still lose in the end.
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Re: Rank these teams
« Reply #181 on: December 16, 2020, 01:31:33 PM »
He’s stealing your move!
I'm only acute on purpose.
“The Swamp is where Gators live.  We feel comfortable there, but we hope our opponents feel tentative. A swamp is hot and sticky and can be dangerous." - Steve Spurrier

 

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