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Re: Rank these teams
« Reply #182 on: December 16, 2020, 01:32:52 PM »
Over my winter break, I'm going to go back 30-40 years and find the toughest schedule by a G5 team.  I can basically promise it won't be higher than 30th or 40th.  
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Re: Rank these teams
« Reply #183 on: December 16, 2020, 01:34:27 PM »
The demand will always outpace the reality.

1. Schedule like nobody does
2. Get the right year when you are awesome
3. Win all the those games or you’re out

Amd most years, I don’t totally care. Hell, this year there will probably be not much good reason to put Cincy in. But I shrug at this rush to say, “we don’t have enough good teams, let us lower the standard until we let in this other team.” In the end, whose ass gets kicked isn’t the biggest deal, but as long as we all agree some people are unable to earn the spot no matter what, then we’re probably on equal ground. (The follow would be to say if you can’t earn the spot no matter what, there’s not much need for it to be a referendum on that team, but I know that would irk some).
there is history to show it can be done

respect is earned by your performance on the field.  Sometimes this takes many many years to prove.

Bobby Bowden built FSU out of nothing.  But, he did it by traveling to Lincoln, NE and Norman, OK and winning.
The spot can be earned, but it won't be easy.
Obviously, the committee doesn't think Coastal or Cincy has done enough for long enough to earn their respect.
I agree
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Re: Rank these teams
« Reply #184 on: December 16, 2020, 01:42:53 PM »
I guess there are people who don't know this, but FSU was a random-ass independent in 1981.  They had just tasted success in 1980.  Sure, they were independent, but so is BYU today.  Their schedule sucks, too.

Here's what FSU scheduled in 1981 to get on the map.  In consecutive weeks:
@ 17 Nebraska
@ 7 Ohio State
@ Notre Dame
@ 3 Pitt
@ LSU

They went 10-2 the previous year, but they knew they weren't in the "in" group.  So they scheduled like that the following year.  They went 3-2 in those games.  They also played 13 Miami and 14 So. Miss later in the year, going 6-5.  But they earned respect.  

3 years later, they were ranked in the preseason and kept scheduling tough.  
1984: @ 4 Miami, 16 Auburn, @ 5 S.Carolina, 3 Florida
Of course, they played Memphis and Tulane and East Wherever, but they scheduled 4-5 big-boy teams, understanding that they had to in order to eventually get a seat at the table.  

The Bearcats have one good year and want it all.  Screw that.  Utah went 12-0 TWICE and was still left out.  So they were proactive and joined the PAC-10.  NOW if Utah goes 12-0, they're in the party.  NOW there is no doubt.  
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Re: Rank these teams
« Reply #185 on: December 16, 2020, 01:58:05 PM »
there is history to show it can be done

respect is earned by your performance on the field.  Sometimes this takes many many years to prove.

Bobby Bowden built FSU out of nothing.  But, he did it by traveling to Lincoln, NE and Norman, OK and winning.
The spot can be earned, but it won't be easy.
Obviously, the committee doesn't think Coastal or Cincy has done enough for long enough to earn their respect.
I agree
FSU played a top-10 schedule two years before Bowden arrived. His team played an Orange Bowl and reached the top 6 before  it played a top-30 schedule. They didn't win a big ranked road game until the year after that (unless you count at BC). And it didn't win a title until it joined a power conference. 

Again, most years, I don't care. And this year, I probably won't. But christ, if we're gonna fall all over ourself to pump someone up that we'd normally side eye. Let em in, let em get housed, it'll be fine. 

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Re: Rank these teams
« Reply #186 on: December 16, 2020, 01:59:39 PM »
the Bearcats could certainly be an independent if they think their conference and conference schedule are holding them back
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« Reply #187 on: December 16, 2020, 02:00:59 PM »
Again, most years, I don't care. And this year, I probably won't. But christ, if we're gonna fall all over ourself to pump someone up that we'd normally side eye. Let em in, let em get housed, it'll be fine.
but, if we let them in to get housed, they take some $$$ away from the P5
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Re: Rank these teams
« Reply #188 on: December 16, 2020, 02:02:43 PM »
Over my winter break, I'm going to go back 30-40 years and find the toughest schedule by a G5 team.  I can basically promise it won't be higher than 30th or 40th. 
Well, it could well be some team that went 2-8 for the season and played as a pastry for the money.  Tulane comes to mind as a possible.  Southern Mississippi?

Does Georgia Tech count 1964-1982?  Pittsburg?  Penn State?  It gets a bit fuzzy going back maybe.

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« Reply #189 on: December 16, 2020, 02:09:04 PM »
In any event, right now, Cincinnati is a better team than Iowa State by the fancystats, and has a better record. It's feels pretty wild that ISU is above them in any ranking.

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Re: Rank these teams
« Reply #190 on: December 16, 2020, 02:25:47 PM »
Tulane in 1970 was 8-4 and all but two opponents were P5, Air Force and Cincinnati were the exceptions.  They played UGA and won.

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Re: Rank these teams
« Reply #191 on: December 16, 2020, 02:37:12 PM »
Well, it could well be some team that went 2-8 for the season and played as a pastry for the money.  Tulane comes to mind as a possible.  Southern Mississippi?

Does Georgia Tech count 1964-1982?  Pittsburg?  Penn State?  It gets a bit fuzzy going back maybe.
Pssst, lol, 30-40 years only goes back to 1980.  I don't need to wade in the waist-deep muck before then.  :)
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« Reply #192 on: December 16, 2020, 02:38:01 PM »
In any event, right now, Cincinnati is a better team than Iowa State by the fancystats, and has a better record. It's feels pretty wild that ISU is above them in any ranking.
The fact that you're still posting the same line of thinking is pretty wild. 
Let me guess:  you're not easily swayed by reasoned argument and evidence.  AmIright?
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Re: Rank these teams
« Reply #193 on: December 16, 2020, 02:40:27 PM »
FSU played a top-10 schedule two years before Bowden arrived. His team played an Orange Bowl and reached the top 6 before  it played a top-30 schedule. They didn't win a big ranked road game until the year after that (unless you count at BC). And it didn't win a title until it joined a power conference.

How'd they do vs that top 10 schedule? lol
We're chiding Bobby Bowden now???  Sheesh.

The point is, to beat good teams, you have to play them.  And when you initially play them, you'll get stomped.  But you keep playing them and start winning some.  Then, if you've got a good HC and support for your program, you'll start willing more of those games than you lose.  And then, eventually, finally, when you win them all (or nearly all), you'll be on top of the mountain.

Cincinnati scaled the monkey bars at their local park and want a medal for it.  Nuh uh.
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Re: Rank these teams
« Reply #195 on: December 16, 2020, 02:52:17 PM »
Comparing BCS standings to fourth CFB Playoff rankings

https://247sports.com/college/nebraska/LongFormArticle/College-football-playoff-rankings-BCS-standings-conference-championship-weekend-Alabama-Florida-Clemson-Notre-Dame-157041685/#157041685_1
The compromised, no MOV BCS rankings?  Bleh.

The Colley Index is fun:
1 - Alabama
2 - Coastal Myrtle Bch
3 - Cinci
4 - ND
5 - UL - Lafayette
6 - Clemson
7 - BYU
8 - San Jose St
9 - Ohio St
10 - USC

Exhibit A on why the computers were nixed.  Jesus F-ing Christ.  
“The Swamp is where Gators live.  We feel comfortable there, but we hope our opponents feel tentative. A swamp is hot and sticky and can be dangerous." - Steve Spurrier

 

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