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Topic: Purdue (2-1, 4-2) at #2 Iowa (3-1, 6-1) Post Game

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LittlePig

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Re: Purdue (1-1, 3-2) at #2 Iowa (3-0, 6-0) Game Week
« Reply #28 on: October 13, 2021, 08:32:09 PM »
I wonder if Kirk Ferentz is thinking of retiring after this season,  otherwise he would never poke the bull with comments like that.    Even if he knows for sure that PSU was faking injuries, why say anything?   
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Re: Purdue (1-1, 3-2) at #2 Iowa (3-0, 6-0) Game Week
« Reply #29 on: October 13, 2021, 08:49:24 PM »
Quote from: ELA on October 13, 2021, 07:43:56 PM

https://twitter.com/JSWarno/status/1448421840209207301?t=TV-WpUnbjTzW5jaJEiQZbQ&s=19
Mustipher was the first PSU injury of the game and not booed, IIRC. I could look into it, but I don't care that much. It seems Franklin doesn't care about the details much, either, using his injury to further gaslight the situation.
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Re: Purdue (1-1, 3-2) at #2 Iowa (3-0, 6-0) Game Week
« Reply #30 on: October 13, 2021, 09:53:14 PM »
Quote from: LittlePig on October 13, 2021, 08:32:09 PM
I wonder if Kirk Ferentz is thinking of retiring after this season,  otherwise he would never poke the bull with comments like that.    Even if he knows for sure that PSU was faking injuries, why say anything? 
Ferentz is not contemplating retirement. It is obvious from the video rather than celebrating a good offensive play he was ticked, and still ticked about this on Tuesday, but I don't know why this would go into a press conference. Perhaps he expects to play Penn State in the CCG and is warning the referees now, to flag feigned injuries for unsportsmanlike conduct because Iowa may go up-tempo? 
I am not trying to be funny, but it is puzzling. I just don't understand what part of Iowa's game this is disrupting. Momentum after good offensive plays, which are so few in # for this team, must factor into his thinking.
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Re: Purdue (1-1, 3-2) at #2 Iowa (3-0, 6-0) Game Week
« Reply #31 on: October 14, 2021, 09:59:21 AM »
Quote from: iahawk15 on October 13, 2021, 08:49:24 PM
Mustipher was the first PSU injury of the game and not booed, IIRC. I could look into it, but I don't care that much. It seems Franklin doesn't care about the details much, either, using his injury to further gaslight the situation.
I have heard contradicting versions of whether Mustipher was booed, he was the first PSU player hurt at 13:12 in the 1Q. So I just played my recording of the game to check.

You can hear a small smattering of boos while Mustipher was on the ground, but not its not as loud as the boos later in the game. This is probably why there is confusion on whether he was booed or not. 

But I am told by people who went to the game that the boos were much louder.  And it wasn't just boos for injured PSU players.  There were boos when the wind was blowing the ball off the tee on the opening PSU kickoff!  Iowa fans were booing early and often and many times it was just an over-reaction before any pattern was established. Now maybe later on, there were those 3 injuries that were questionable,  but its still not obvious to me that PSU was faking injuries, even if the Iowa coaches think so.  The fact that Iowa coaches are feeding into this behavior by fans is embarrassing as an Iowa fan.  But I understand the fans were fired up in what was the biggest game at Kinnick since 1985,  so I can cut them some slack, but normally I expect better from Iowa fans.
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Re: Purdue (1-1, 3-2) at #2 Iowa (3-0, 6-0) Game Week
« Reply #32 on: October 14, 2021, 10:39:05 AM »
Quote from: LittlePig on October 14, 2021, 09:59:21 AM
The fact that Iowa coaches are feeding into this behavior by fans is embarrassing as an Iowa fan.  But I understand the fans were fired up in what was the biggest game at Kinnick since 1985,  so I can cut them some slack, but normally I expect better from Iowa fans.
Back in the 1960s and 70s (when Iowa was generally bad at football), and I think in the 80s, the PA announcer  Rev. Bob Holzhammer (sp?) would ask the crowd to give a warm welcome the opposing team as they ran on the field, and not everybody, but many would applaud. With no opponents, there would be no Iowa football.
When I go to a game I still applaud the opposing team running onto the field.
Civility has been declining for decades.
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Re: Purdue (1-1, 3-2) at #2 Iowa (3-0, 6-0) Game Week
« Reply #33 on: October 14, 2021, 03:47:33 PM »
Quote from: LittlePig on October 14, 2021, 09:59:21 AM
I have heard contradicting versions of whether Mustipher was booed, he was the first PSU player hurt at 13:12 in the 1Q. So I just played my recording of the game to check.

You can hear a small smattering of boos while Mustipher was on the ground, but not its not as loud as the boos later in the game. This is probably why there is confusion on whether he was booed or not. 

But I am told by people who went to the game that the boos were much louder.  And it wasn't just boos for injured PSU players.  There were boos when the wind was blowing the ball off the tee on the opening PSU kickoff!  Iowa fans were booing early and often and many times it was just an over-reaction before any pattern was established. Now maybe later on, there were those 3 injuries that were questionable,  but its still not obvious to me that PSU was faking injuries, even if the Iowa coaches think so.  The fact that Iowa coaches are feeding into this behavior by fans is embarrassing as an Iowa fan.  But I understand the fans were fired up in what was the biggest game at Kinnick since 1985,  so I can cut them some slack, but normally I expect better from Iowa fans.

I'm certainly not a fan of LeVar Woods' actions on the sidelines, but my identity is not so wrapped up in Iowa football to be personally embarrassed. I have not and would not boo an opposing player, coach, team, or official for any reason so I don't feel accountable for others that chose to do so.

For whatever reason, something about fanaticism (sports at any level, politics, anything) gives our brains permission to turn off logic and run on pure emotion. That leads to a lot of stupid shit, of varying degrees. It creates a divisive culture, allowing us to vilify an entire group of people over the actions of a few.

Apparently, a PSU fan tweeted that he hoped all the kids in the Children Hospital died within the week. Does he represent all PSU fans? Obviously not. Nor are all Iowa fans represented by the few that found said PSU fan's LinkedIn account and tried to get him fired.

But what I find most tiresome about fanaticism is the willingness to pour over minutiae to find any nugget that can be used to attack, to vilify, to divide. The overreactions, the grandstanding, the intellectual dishonesty; it almost makes junior high drama seem palatable.

I've been pruning my sports consumption tree for a long time, and I'm considering chopping the damn thing down to take up fishing and golf full time. I'm only 42, but apparently already old and cranky. Get off my lawn.
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Re: Purdue (1-1, 3-2) at #2 Iowa (3-0, 6-0) Game Week
« Reply #34 on: October 14, 2021, 08:21:40 PM »
golf may or may not help

good luck
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Re: Purdue (1-1, 3-2) at #2 Iowa (3-0, 6-0) Game Week
« Reply #35 on: October 15, 2021, 01:02:50 PM »

*GAME OF THE WEEK*
Purdue Boilermakers (1-1, 3-2) at #2 Iowa Hawkeyes (3-0, 6-0)
3:30 - Iowa City, IA - ABC
Everyone knows how great Iowa is, and even when you manage to scrape together some yards on them, they turn you over.  Best case scenario, you don't let them house you, and at least make Spencer Petras and an inept run attack score the points themselves.  But who is that right behind Iowa in scoring defense in conference games?  That would be the Boilers, perhaps the most underrated defense in the conference.  But before your think this is going to be an old school Big Ten run the ball-play defense, game, neither team can run the ball a lick.  That has been a perpetual problem for Purdue under Brohm, so it's no surprise to see them sitting dead last in the conference at just 2.8 ypc.  They've only scored 2 rushing touchdowns, nobody else in the conference has less than 7.  But right above them, at 13th in the Big Ten is Iowa, at just 3.2 ypc.  This certainly isn't surprising, considering how many turnovers they've created, and how many points they outright score themselves, but Iowa has the fewest yards per point in the nation at just 10.1.  So you match those stats up, and it's hard to figure out how one team is ranked #2 in the nation, and the other team is fighting to get bowl eligible.  It's all turnovers.  I know those are fluky, but we are halfway into the season, and we've sort of reached a point where you are what you are.  Iowa is leading the nation in takeaways with 20, and Purdue is dead last with 2.  Both lines are a bit of a mess in run blocking, but even behind a better line, I'm not sure Purdue has a running back that scares me.  Every time I see Tyler Goodson, I am impressed as hell.  He should be one of the three or four best backs in the conference, but his line ranks in the bottom 10 nationally in standard yards, and stuff rate, which is when the running back is hit at or behind the line of scrimmage.  If the running games do in fact neutralize each other, and suddenly the turnover margin is a wash, I like Jake O'Connell more than Spencer Petras.  So if this was in West Lafayette, and you could erase the intangibles, I might pick Purdue to pull the upset.  But this just feels like one of those magic seasons, like I enjoyed in 2015, where every bounce goes your way, and I don't see that happening at home.  Iowa is again +3 or more in turnovers, and get the points when the opportunity presents itself.
IOWA 31, PURDUE 6

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Re: Purdue (1-1, 3-2) at #2 Iowa (3-0, 6-0) Game Week
« Reply #36 on: October 15, 2021, 01:30:14 PM »
I think this game comes down to turnovers, obviously, but there's one more statistical area that I think may become incredibly important--3rd down conversion percentage. 

Offensively Iowa is abysmal on 3rd down (92nd nationally) but defensively good (32nd nationally) at getting their opponent off the field. Offensively Purdue is competent on 3rd down (45th nationally) and even better defensively (27th nationally) at getting their opponent off the field. 

I think third down conversions can be a somewhat "noisy" stat week-to-week, but it's what sustains drives and leads to points. 

If Purdue can have a good day on third down while Iowa doesn't, and keep from coughing the ball up to Iowa, they can make this close. 

But that may not be likely.
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Re: Purdue (1-1, 3-2) at #2 Iowa (3-0, 6-0) Game Week
« Reply #37 on: October 15, 2021, 02:13:11 PM »
Quote from: betarhoalphadelta on October 15, 2021, 01:30:14 PM
I think this game comes down to turnovers, obviously, but there's one more statistical area that I think may become incredibly important--3rd down conversion percentage.

Offensively Iowa is abysmal on 3rd down (92nd nationally) but defensively good (32nd nationally) at getting their opponent off the field. Offensively Purdue is competent on 3rd down (45th nationally) and even better defensively (27th nationally) at getting their opponent off the field.

I think third down conversions can be a somewhat "noisy" stat week-to-week, but it's what sustains drives and leads to points.

If Purdue can have a good day on third down while Iowa doesn't, and keep from coughing the ball up to Iowa, they can make this close.

But that may not be likely.
Listing to Warren Sharp's podcast has made me hate that stat.  Although, also MSU is terrible at it this year.
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Re: Purdue (1-1, 3-2) at #2 Iowa (3-0, 6-0) Game Week
« Reply #38 on: October 16, 2021, 06:15:36 PM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on October 12, 2021, 02:36:26 PM
this just feels like a game Iowa loses. Idk why. Call me crazy.

called it.
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Re: Purdue (1-1, 3-2) at #2 Iowa (3-0, 6-0) Game Week
« Reply #39 on: October 16, 2021, 06:15:44 PM »
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Re: Purdue (1-1, 3-2) at #2 Iowa (3-0, 6-0) Game Week
« Reply #40 on: October 16, 2021, 06:21:19 PM »
Quote from: MrNubbz on October 12, 2021, 05:09:10 PM
Careful counsel the Ouija Boards/Tarot Cards are coming out.Kirk's due for a clinker
Ahem
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Re: Purdue (1-1, 3-2) at #2 Iowa (3-0, 6-0) Game Week
« Reply #41 on: October 16, 2021, 06:29:32 PM »
Think they Said O'Connel was 9/10 on 3rd downs,that's money
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